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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 months ago

Teenagers plan to flee as Kyiv faces pressure to call up the young

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 months ago
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The United States and Nato want President Zelensky to lower the age of conscription from 25, prompting some young people to leave Ukraine — perhaps for ever
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    They’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.

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      Which would be?

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        Hm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?

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          Reasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine

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        Preventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?

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          …so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?

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            Let’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…

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              Let’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.

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            You give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.

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            Who guarantees that they get peace in return?

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              No one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.

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                I understand the Ukrainians mistrust.

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                  Why? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.

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                    Ukraine made some mistakes under the Minsk Agreements, like delaying certain implementations and occasional ceasefire breaches, but these were often reactions to continued attacks. The larger issue is Russia’s violations: it broke the Budapest Memorandum by annexing Crimea in March 2014, violating Ukraine’s sovereignty. While the Minsk Agreements came later, Russia also undermined them by arming and supporting separatists in Eastern Ukraine. Blaming Ukraine ignores Russia’s clear role in starting and escalating the conflict.

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                That’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.

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        Being under russian occupation.

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          I’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.

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