Chinese authorities wrongfully detained more than 20 Tibetans and severely tortured a Tibetan village head named Gonpo Namgyal to death with the repeated use of electric equipment in detention for several months in Ponkor township, Darlag County in Golog in the traditional Tibetan province of Amdo now incorporated into Qinghai, Sichuan and Gansu provinces.

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    Holy whataboutism, Batman! 🤦

    Indigenous people in North America being displaced and oppressed does NOT in fact make it acceptable for the Chinese government to oppress and ethnically cleanse Tibetan people.

    If anything, NOT committing crimes against humanity all the time would be THE most effective way for China to distinguish themselves from their geopolitical adversaries in a positive manner.

    TL;DR: Nice try, but just as two wrongs doesn’t make a right, the similar but separate atrocities of Western countries don’t excuse those of China in any way.

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      Holy whataboutism, Batman! 🤦

      Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media’s Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

      Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

      But what if “whataboutism” isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term “whataboutism” has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

      We are joined by Jeremy Scahill, co-founder of The Intercept.


      Nice try, but just as two wrongs don’t make a right, the similar but separate atrocities of Western countries don’t excuse those of China in any way.

      Still waiting on the evidence for those similar atrocities.

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      NOT committing crimes against humanity all the time

      I’m sure you can provide reliable evidence of all these crimes against humanity. Evidence that is not merely made up assertions from western news media, politicians, and other dubious sources. But I won’t wait up.

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        I’m sure you can provide reliable evidence of all these crimes against humanity

        Nope, not all of them. Not because they didn’t happen. Because there’s too many to list in a week of non stop writing, which is about a week more than your bad faith requests deserve.

        Evidence that is not merely made up assertions from western news media, politicians, and other dubious sources.

        Yeah, you haven’t made up your mind already, nuh-uh! You’re DEFINITELY completely objective and the keeper of the Real Truth! 🙄

        But I won’t wait up.

        Wow, what a vicious and original barb! You must be feared throughout the lying West! Such eloquence! 🤦

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            Nope, you’re supposed to believe it because it’s already been thoroughly and accurately documented countless times for several decades.

            Your willful ignorance of history is neither my fault nor my responsibility.

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          Nope, not all of them. Not because they didn’t happen. Because there’s too many to list in a week of non stop writing, which is about a week more than your bad faith requests deserve.

          Awfully convenient how everyone always draws this arbitrary, bizarre moral line in the sand about how they can’t provide any evidence for any of their claims about China.

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              Westerners like you truly are the most brainwashed people on earth.

              Also it’s fucking hilarious that you’re calling other people tankies when you were calling for people to be lined up against a wall and shot less than an hour ago.

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                Westerners like you truly are the most brainwashed people on earth.

                Again with the famous tankie self-awareness

                Also it’s fucking hilarious that you’re calling other people tankies when you were calling for people to be lined up against a wall and shot less than an hour ago.

                Yeah, because using a figure of speech means that I want that thing to literally happen 🙄

                Doesn’t it hurt to be more dense than a neutron star?

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                  Again with the famous tankie self-awareness

                  Again, literally all you have is “no I”. Which doesn’t even make sense because we’re both submerged in the same all pervasive soup of western propaganda.

                  Yeah, because using a figure of speech means that I want that thing to literally happen 🙄

                  Loooooool. This might be the weakest backtrack I’ve ever seen in my life.

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                points to the majority of history

                Take your pick. I’m not being paid to reach you what you should already know and would if not for your ideological blinders.

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                  How does “the majority of history” prove that this specific story is correct?

                  Or do you just mean, the majority of history proves your ideology correct, which means you now get to make all kinds of unsubstantiated claims without evidence and everyone’s just supposed to believe it?

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      If anything, NOT committing crimes against humanity all the time would be THE most effective way for China to distinguish themselves from their geopolitical adversaries in a positive manner.

      How fucking ironic that you say this.

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        Only if you miss the fact that I’m implicitly conceding that Western nations are ALSO committing crimes against humanity.

        The world isn’t a binary where you have to deny some atrocities in able to be capable of condemning others.

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          Oh, how magnanimous of you, lol.

          Still deeply ironic that you said that though, while perfectly demonstrating exactly why it isn’t true.

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            Oh, how magnanimous of you, lol.

            Never said that there’s anything magnanimous or otherwise special about acknowledging objective reality rather than ignoring anything that contradicts tribalist dogma. Just because you’re incapable of it doesn’t make it a flex.

            Still deeply ironic that you said that though, while perfectly demonstrating exactly why it isn’t true.

            That makes no sense whatsoever.

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              You acted like anyone should give a single nutty shit that you were so nobley willing to concede that the US is bad (but only as bad, never worse), despite it being completely irrelevant.

              That makes no sense whatsoever.

              Lol, Westerners really are the most brainwashed people on earth: they can’t even parse ideas contrary to their programming, let alone accept them.

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                You acted like anyone should give a single nutty shit

                Nope. Just clarifying what you missed and how it negated your claim about mine being ironic.

                you were so nobley willing to concede that the US is bad (but only as bad, never worse)

                Yet another strawman. Sometimes the US does worse things than China, sometimes China does worse things than the US. Neither ever cancel each other out as committing atrocities is NOT a zero sum competition.

                despite it being completely irrelevant.

                Again, me being able to acknowledge atrocities without resorting to whataboutism is relevant. As is your inability to do so.

                Me reaching the absolute baseline of intellectual honesty doesn’t make me special. You not accomplishing even that makes YOU special.

                Lol, Westerners really are the most brainwashed people on earth: they can’t even parse ideas contrary to their programming, let alone accept them.

                Wow. That’s Donald Trump levels of lacking self-awareness 😆🤦

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                  Nope. Just clarifying what you missed and how it negated your claim about mine being ironic.

                  It literally doesn’t though, lol.

                  Yet another strawman. Sometimes the US does worse things than China, sometimes China does worse things than the US. Neither ever cancel each other out as committing atrocities is NOT a zero sum competition.

                  Lol, like I said, you’ll acknowledge that the west is bad, but you’ll never admit it’s worse.

                  Again, me being able to acknowledge atrocities without resorting to whataboutism is relevant.

                  Nope, completely irrelevant.

                  Wow. That’s Donald Trump levels of lacking self-awareness 😆🤦

                  “No I” was literally the best you could come up with? Actually, a flat “no u” would have been better because it wouldn’t have shown that you’re the kind of liquid brained shitlib who can’t stop themselves from mentioning Trump even in unrelated conversations.

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          Excuse me, I’m just going to go murder someone to gain the superpower of being able to accuse anyone I want of being a murderer

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      Indigenous people in North America being displaced and oppressed […] Chinese government to oppress and ethnically cleanse

      hey look another western chauvinist (read: white supremacist) doing genocide denial

      UwU smol widdle bean amewica only did a lil scoot scoot to the indians

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        Building schools and maintaining extensive affirmative action (even excluding minorities from the one child policy) is literally ethnic cleansing.

        Killing, jailing, using biological weapons, enacting a century of land grabs and torturing/killing everyone who couldn’t escape, that’s just displacement. The good guys did it, after all.