Imagine my surprise reading this on the LA Times this morning (emphasis mine):
“I would not acknowledge reproduction as a human right, but instead as a form of rape,” IndictEvolution wrote on Lemmy.World in July 2023. “I am also not bothered by infanticide as long as it is done humanely…”
Here is an archive of the article.
Here is his account.
It looks like he only stayed on Lemmy for about a month, most likely a temporary Reddit exile with the earliest exodus on June 2023. The article mentions threads on Reddit but doesn’t provide any quotes from there. User IndictEvolution on Reddit deleted their account, and the article makes it sound like they are referring to a different username that they don’t specify.
Oh fuck they’re going to call us all extremists
We’ll have to push back with pointing to the decentralized nature of the fediverse, and that there’s gonna be crazies on some instances. I always use email as an analogy when explaining Lemmy, maybe we could continue that and argue you wouldn’t blame all of email infrastructure if an extremist had a gmail or Hotmail or whatever.
Actually now that I read that, it just might be more confusing. But there’s gotta be a counter angle to argue to get ahead of people thinking “Lemmy=bad”
Also even if the cops shut down world, people will just … move. Like yours and my instances don’t even have the word “lemmy” in the domain. I don’t think anyone would care beyond “we shut down that radical forum.”
Though most likely is it goes completely unnoticed and some bombing or shooting or human rights abuse next week will shoves it down the memory hole for good.
It’s funny because even of the people I know, it’s actually like “lemmy=what?” Even of the people I’ve talked to about it.
They’re so painfully disinterested, they usually tune out after the first five words of my fediverse elevator pitch.
some bombing or shooting or human rights abuse next week will shoves it down the memory hole for good.
Next week? Try last night in DC. I’m doubting this will even register tbh
It would not bode well for the future of discourse if lemmy.world of all places gets shut down for radicalism. Our instance is significantly more radical than lemmy.world. Can you imagine some ecofascist idiot who posted on slrpnk.net a couple times committing a terror attack and getting the instance taken down? I can, which is why this news should be very concerning.
Edit: Just looked through some of the bomber’s comments and their replies and some users even pointed out that his rhetoric was reminiscent of ecofascism. Anti-natalism and ecofascism are ideological siblings. The backlash to this attack is going to catch environmentalist groups in the crossfire, with many environmental activists being accused of having anti-natalist views. Anyone who’s ever advocated for degrowth might get lumped in with them.
I agree, you have very good points. I don’t particularly think that him having posted for about a month two years ago on a particular instance is any particular mark against that instance, as I think that that could have happened to many (but perhaps not all) Lemmy instances. Good point about backlash hitting eco activists too.
You think that quote’s bad, you should see what they’re saying on Xitter
Soooo… What are they saying? I don’t have xitter…
In that same period, Bartkus’ rhetoric on alternative social media sites was dark.
I’m just proud they know we exist.
freakin sweet, this totally won’t be used as a pretext to criminalize not using meta/twitter/reddit
Damn Axis.world made a domestic terrorist before Us
I guess we cant call ourselfs the most dangerous instance anymore
I love how quickly lemmy.world speed ran the aesthetically lib to fash redditor pipeline problem without even a profit motive behind them.
I mean lemmy.world aims to be Reddit 2, and reddit had jailbait, fatpeoplehate, the_donald, keeps Gamergate subreddits open, r/conspiracy, and so many more horrid things kept up because it made more clicks.
So why wouldn’t lemmy.world keep an active terrorist on board? Think of the potential money to be made.
Maximizing the MAU and pLTV of a niche internet forum for the love of the game.
Yeah but see Hexbear is actually the violent extremist instance not the Rational Centrist instance of lemmy dot world. Or something I dunno I have a brain
It’s the same thing that happened on Reddit when a childfree subscriber killed his kid
The implication here is that somehow that’s a problem with lemmy and lemmy.world…but I bet he also had an amazon account and no one is blaming them.
Small niche where the user is active, big international service that everyone uses that has zero connections to them.
Gee I wonder why people are talking about lemmy.world
“Active” being a dozen posts from two years ago.
Though right now we’re probably inflating our own importance by thinking anyone at all will associate Lemmy with this guy in any meaningful way. The name was referenced by the reporter because they needed to say where the random posts came from, and talked about like it’s just a general social network rather than an organizing place for a radical ideology.
I heard the bomber was chosen as Time person of the year in 2006
I didn’t read it as any particular implication, but that they just found the money quotes they wanted on lemmy.world.
A fascist on lemmy.world???
The next terrorist to come from lemmy better not be anither edgy fash loser. Do better.
Must be pretty embarrassing for .ml that shitlib central got a terrorist before they did, ngl.
Eco or better!
I dk what’s better than eco.
Old school like Narodnaya Volya perhaps.
That was quite a read. Going to need to watch some youtube on this but concerned it may lead certain names going up on “The list”
Some Willem Van Spronsen type stuff maybe?
attempted to ignite a large propane tank and set our ( pro profit detention center) buildings on fire"
Spronsen said that “it’s time to take action against the forces of evil”, citing “highly profitable detention/concentration camps and a battle over the semantics”.
Dude was a carpenter too. Is this what they call based?
I disagree. terrorism and accelerationism are not needed and do more harm than good. The idea that you can just commit political violence and solve your problems is too tempting to angry people, who then believe that the actually successful tactics like organizing are not necessary. It’s taking the easy way out and usually just turns more people against you.
Of course, violence to protect people from the violence of the fascists is entirely acceptable and to be lauded.
I think they’re joking lol
Well, some adventurism seems to have some positive effect though. Look at how taking down the UHC pig is being received by the public. Could be used to radicalise some people perhaps
We’re hittin the big time boys!
We did it Reddit!
Woop! We made mass violence perp level!
Not beating the Reddit.world accusations. 😏
I think theyre embracing the comparison
But have you considered .ML is evil tankie!?!!?
it’s cool that Mali (.ml) is one of the Sahel states that’s rejecting imperialism and ML also happens to stand for marxism-leninism
“Tankies are a serious threat to domestic and international politics. Please ignore that only 1% of all people know what that is. Also let us actively keep a terrorist and retroactively remove their comments before it became news, because the FBI made us.”
I can bet .ml is considered a bigger threat.
I mean it is but this was about .world
The point is to show that anticommunists complain about Lemmy.ml like McCarthy, but it ended up being a Lemmy.world mod that committed Malthusian terrorism.
The point was that people complain about something going on in .ml but something unrelated happened with .world?
Lemmy.world frequently calls Lemmy.ml evil, yet to our knowledge only a Lemmy.world mod has gone on to become a domestic terrorist, a Malthusian no less. It points to hypocricy.
Many more ways to be evil than just being a terrorist though
Let me guess, you think being a Marxist is evil?
We need to step up our game. Quickly kill some white rich people, there’s nothing more evil than that!
Wait! Choose which fat old white guys. Don’t leave it to chance!
you openly supporting killing white rich people?
I support treating rich white people the way you advocate for treating Palestinians.
so you want to kill people? how?
Humanely
how many would you like to kill?
I’m not native english speaker but I think the joke is pretty clear.
just kidding?
see how that works in court
I know that I gonna say may surprise you but the world is not just EUA and Europe.
I did not commit any crime
there’s people on here pretty far down the radicalization funnel here so there’s a lot of people indicating that that is acceptable behavior
Nostradamus
.ml user used whataboutism as taught by putins ministry of copeaganda. It’s not very effective.
Seems to be pretty effective, sitting at 76 upvotes and 9 downvotes as viewed from Lemmy.ml. Seems the random and baseless assertion of Russian propaganda is less effective.
Believe it or not, Lemmy.ml is federated with many instances.
Big if true
It’s very impressive how brainwashed shitlibs are that they think the concept of “pointing out blatant double standards” was invented by a man who is younger than the current and previous US presidents.
lmao, of course
here comes the influx of fascists i guess?
when they come looking for the dangerous hacker known as lemmy.world
Lock it down!
