I’m all for Iranian people plotting their own course. I think if they throw out the current system then that’s great. I’m just surprised by the hesitancy over that from ml spaces.
I’m sure USA and Israel will be happy to see the current system fall but it’s not like that’s going to make me hesitant to cheer if the Iranian people decide to overthrow it
They aren’t simply ‘happy to see’ like some kind of observer, they are actively co-opting genuine protests for their own ends, at the expense of the Iranian people.
Imperial Germany sent Lenin back to Russia to destabilize it. Of course enemies of the current leadership/system are going to try and take advantage of the situation, happens probably every time there’s protests or revolution or whatever. If the people want to take down the current leadership or system then isn’t that still something to be cheered for?
This is so laughably bad. Whos the next lenin? Is he currently working for cia or mossad? Which prominent socialist circles does he come from?
Now dont get me wrong, north korean style iran i wouldnt mind, or say stalin like, most importantly they need self defense, nuclear weapons. Before that even if by divine action a socialist became the president after the us and israel backed coup(seriously i cant imagine how other than descending from heavens), he woyld be swiftly replaced. Socialism isnt tolerated.
I wasn’t saying there was a Lenin here, just that outsiders always try to influence these things. Doesn’t mean you should support the current regime imo, it being a theocracy and all.
It just feels very defeatist and non-committal, aking to supporting the status quo since the protests can’t promise socialism. I just find the mindset odd.
I’ve probbaly misunderstood the reasoning but nobody has really explained it either, just made quips about how these protests are run by USA or something.
I’m all for Iranian people plotting their own course. I think if they throw out the current system then that’s great. I’m just surprised by the hesitancy over that from ml spaces.
The problem is that the US/Israel isn’t and will do everything they can to plot their own course instead
I’m sure USA and Israel will be happy to see the current system fall but it’s not like that’s going to make me hesitant to cheer if the Iranian people decide to overthrow it
They aren’t simply ‘happy to see’ like some kind of observer, they are actively co-opting genuine protests for their own ends, at the expense of the Iranian people.
Imperial Germany sent Lenin back to Russia to destabilize it. Of course enemies of the current leadership/system are going to try and take advantage of the situation, happens probably every time there’s protests or revolution or whatever. If the people want to take down the current leadership or system then isn’t that still something to be cheered for?
This is so laughably bad. Whos the next lenin? Is he currently working for cia or mossad? Which prominent socialist circles does he come from?
Now dont get me wrong, north korean style iran i wouldnt mind, or say stalin like, most importantly they need self defense, nuclear weapons. Before that even if by divine action a socialist became the president after the us and israel backed coup(seriously i cant imagine how other than descending from heavens), he woyld be swiftly replaced. Socialism isnt tolerated.
I wasn’t saying there was a Lenin here, just that outsiders always try to influence these things. Doesn’t mean you should support the current regime imo, it being a theocracy and all.
Sure, we can expect socialism like they have in syria now. No one is supporting the current regime for the sake of it. Thats a strawman.
It just feels very defeatist and non-committal, aking to supporting the status quo since the protests can’t promise socialism. I just find the mindset odd.
I’ve probbaly misunderstood the reasoning but nobody has really explained it either, just made quips about how these protests are run by USA or something.