as someone who’s taxes pay this douchebag’s salary, I am fine lowering it to 1. Or fine firing him for conduct unbecoming.
Do you realise you’re taxes also pay for a teachers salary, and politicians having something to say about this salary also means they have something to say about that teachers salary? I would be fine with ICE lowering his salary, i’d be fine with ICE firing, i’d be fine with him being taken to jail after a fair trial. But politicians having this power is very very dangerous in the current political climate, even if this single time the power is used for doing good.
The problem is, it’s an illegal salary, which means he’s going to have an opportunity to sue, choosing more tax dollars to defend it, and then whatever court awarded fine on top of it.
Because the rule of law is, that if you commit crime x you get punishment y. Lowering salary is not a regular punishment. If he would be fined with paying a fine the amount of his salary that would be ok with me. I’m not saying this man doesn’t deserve punishment. But if his punishment was torture i’d also call that unfair.
Rule of Law means equal punishment for equal crimes regardless of the person committing them, so he should get the same punishment as someone who doesn’t work at ICE.
As far as I can tell he didn’t break a law, it’s just a conflict of interest to have a racist prosecuting immigrants. So cutting his pay to force him out of the position was all that could be done by the people trying to remove him from that role. But you feel that isn’t fair.
If you don’t break a law you shouldn’t be punished by the office that is about whether laws were followed or not. I know that sounds crazy. He could be punished by his employer, fine. He could be punished by an angry mob, fine. But if this guy gets punished while not breaking the law, you can bet some other people who didn’t break the law will still get punished. For me considering something legally fair has nothing to do with what he deserves. I don’t think we’ll come to agree on that.
If you’re at work and you do something that would get you fired (which isn’t against the law) you should be fired. Why defend a racist in this scenario?
I’m not defending him, that’s the result of me arguing the system should be fair. If his employer would fire him, i would be silent. Politicians are not employers. Let’s look at it from another perspective; imagine a colleague of this racist have an x account where he tells people to come to protests about climate change, do you think a politician should have something to say about his salary too?
You can do something intentionally and still have someone consider that stupid. I get a lot of downvotes because people like him punished. I’m fine with him being punished, i am not fine with politicians acting as employers. A politician should also not be able to vote on the salary of a teacher, policeman or someone who cleans the government buildings. That is what i called stupid, the fact that he can punish someone for something wrong.
No i’m saying he is doing something stupid.
and employers have evry right to remind folks “free speech” does not mean “no consequences.”
as someone who’s taxes pay this douchebag’s salary, I am fine lowering it to 1. Or fine firing him for conduct unbecoming.
Do you realise you’re taxes also pay for a teachers salary, and politicians having something to say about this salary also means they have something to say about that teachers salary? I would be fine with ICE lowering his salary, i’d be fine with ICE firing, i’d be fine with him being taken to jail after a fair trial. But politicians having this power is very very dangerous in the current political climate, even if this single time the power is used for doing good.
i’m well aware of what taxes go to. and … well ok with none of my taxes paying bigots. all of them.
The problem is, it’s an illegal salary, which means he’s going to have an opportunity to sue, choosing more tax dollars to defend it, and then whatever court awarded fine on top of it.
Why do you feel it is unfair for his salary to be lowered?
Because the rule of law is, that if you commit crime x you get punishment y. Lowering salary is not a regular punishment. If he would be fined with paying a fine the amount of his salary that would be ok with me. I’m not saying this man doesn’t deserve punishment. But if his punishment was torture i’d also call that unfair.
Rule of Law means equal punishment for equal crimes regardless of the person committing them, so he should get the same punishment as someone who doesn’t work at ICE.
As far as I can tell he didn’t break a law, it’s just a conflict of interest to have a racist prosecuting immigrants. So cutting his pay to force him out of the position was all that could be done by the people trying to remove him from that role. But you feel that isn’t fair.
If you don’t break a law you shouldn’t be punished by the office that is about whether laws were followed or not. I know that sounds crazy. He could be punished by his employer, fine. He could be punished by an angry mob, fine. But if this guy gets punished while not breaking the law, you can bet some other people who didn’t break the law will still get punished. For me considering something legally fair has nothing to do with what he deserves. I don’t think we’ll come to agree on that.
If you’re at work and you do something that would get you fired (which isn’t against the law) you should be fired. Why defend a racist in this scenario?
I’m not defending him, that’s the result of me arguing the system should be fair. If his employer would fire him, i would be silent. Politicians are not employers. Let’s look at it from another perspective; imagine a colleague of this racist have an x account where he tells people to come to protests about climate change, do you think a politician should have something to say about his salary too?
So weird. And yes, you’re defending him.
I’m not. I’m defending his position. It has nothing to do with the rotten apple himself.
Why assume he’s being stupid? Seems his opinions are intentional and informed.
You can do something intentionally and still have someone consider that stupid. I get a lot of downvotes because people like him punished. I’m fine with him being punished, i am not fine with politicians acting as employers. A politician should also not be able to vote on the salary of a teacher, policeman or someone who cleans the government buildings. That is what i called stupid, the fact that he can punish someone for something wrong.