Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

  • artyom@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    No it is not. If that’s the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by “yeah but that other guy is worse so it’s okay”. It’s preposterous.

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      1 day ago

      yes it is, because it’s not china holding the world hostage with their trillion dollar military. they are qualitatively different.

      saying tens of millions or deaths worldwide (probably much more) and even more kept in poverty is in equal standing with getting into war with your neighbor for a few months 50 years ago is a wild exaggeration that serves to both sides an issue that has one prominent cause for a century or so rn. we have had enough of it.

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        1 day ago

        it’s not china holding the world hostage

        I’m not going to play this game with you. The US being shit doesn’t excuse China from being shit. Or vise versa. Simple as.

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          1 day ago

          but they aren’t. you still speak as if they are two big bad villains willing to nuke the planet.

          only one of them is and equating them is dishonest at best to someone subject to the empire and very deflective.

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            19 hours ago

            equating them is dishonest

            Criticizing one of them on it’s individual merits while avoiding comparisons is very obviously not the same thing as equating both of them.

            and very deflective.

            LOOOOOLOLOL you can’t be serious.

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              14 hours ago

              then why is it doing to the us “whataboutism”?

              it is very deflective to go both sides bad when neither exists in a vacuum. especially considering the context of the fucking world being held hostage by the us.

              i find it hard to believe westerners hate china that hard on it’s own merits, because it doesn’t warrant that at all.

              but i do find it curious they always want to remove all context or straight up lie to criticize china, because that’s the only way westerners can.

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                14 hours ago

                then why is doing it to the us “whataboutism”?

                I don’t know how to be any more clear this. Using whataboutism is using whataboutism. If I talk about China and you say “but what about US!”, that’s a whataboutism, because we’re not talking about the US. And vise versa. It’s a clear attempt to excuse and deflect blame away from the topic at hand and onto someone else.

                it is very deflective to go both sides bad

                I’m glad you finally understand.

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                  12 hours ago

                  and you still don’t seem to get that condemning “rampant ccp propaganda!” when we praise it’s accomplishments is not honest, and that neither country is in a vacuum.

                  today’s us colonial and fascist strategy is directly related to how they want to hurt china, and that also shows in the anti-chinese western narrative. and you don’t really have the moral high ground to criticize them in light of this.

                  neatly wrapped in a single word to deflect us responsibility for the shitty state of the world.

                  i repeated that point a couple of times in different ways, so i’m just gonna wish you a nice day, and may your mind eventually be freed from that.

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                    12 hours ago

                    You can repeat the same nonsense all you want, it’s still nonsense. I hope one day your “mind is freed” from comparing everything to the worst possible example as an excuse for bad behavior.

    • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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      2 days ago

      I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s

      Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho