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My mom worked as a university professor, then advisor, and what she said about college was “it just shows a prospective employer that you can follow rules and commit to doing something for a few years and follow through on it. That’s why they want the degree. Also cuts down on applicants, fewer to sort through.”
So, from someone on the inside, she didn’t think the main reason was education, in terms of specific jobs. I know in accounting I don’t use so much of what I learned and that’s a pretty specific degree. Anyone with a mind for numbers & systems could be trained on the job to do what I do.
In addition to the many other fine comments here, I will add that when you think someone is so stupid there is often something missing. You may not understand what information they are acting on or you might be interpreting the context according to different values than theirs. As an observer, not understanding someone else’s choice can feel exactly like “damn what a stupid choice.” I try as much as I can to take these as opportunities to dig further and use my imagination to figure out what they must be thinking. Occasionally I come up with something.
It’s worth noting that college degrees are often not hard to get, assuming you have ample finances. Colleges are businesses, and they care more about cashflow than education.
I have a bachelor of science in electrical engineering. Of my graduating class, probably only about a quarter of us actually understood anything. And now working in the industry, it seems like that’s a pretty reasonable average for other institutions in my field (there are exceptions, a few colleges have higher standards).
assuming you have ample finances. Colleges are businesses, and they care more about cashflow than education.
No, in most places not.
Depends on the place, I guess. In the US and Canada, it’s pretty common. I’ve attended four different institutions and taught at one, and they’ve all been pretty money-focused.
Intelligence and Wisdom are two separate stats.
education doesn’t fix stupidity Education can however help with ignorance.
People can cheat or learn to just memorize and repeat information without really accepting or retaining it. As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make a drink.
To put it simply, there is a difference between “intelligent” and “smart”.
i’m a mechanical engineer. i know something about electricity and physics. i also have a degree in international trade.
until 2 yrs ago i didn’t know how eggs get fertilized and yesterday my wife had to show me how to remove olive pits while preparing ouur cooking.
by all accounts i’m a dumbass with 2 degrees in specific fields that i don’t encounter in day-to-day life. i have no idea how to survive in this world. i am sure others feel the same.
Marcin Jakubowski talks about this in his TED talk; theoretical physicist realizes he cannot DO anything, becomes farmer, founds open source ecology.
Marcin Jakubowski talks about this in his TED talk; theoretical physicist realizes he cannot DO anything, becomes farmer, founds open source ecology.
This is the best answer.
Why do billionaires/oligarchs do it?
Principle of Least Effort.
It isn’t particular to the “lower class” or to the “less educated” or to any particular faction of the population.
That’s normal.
Some people, no matter how you “slice” the population up, still act so fucking stupid.
'Tis a fact of life, is all.
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Depends on what you mean by that.
Stupid as in not grasping some concepts quickly?
Education is just a narrow overview of a particular field. Once you’re out the narrow scope of what you’re taught - it’s all about your general knowledge. I know a world-class physicist who does not comprehend basic things about society, economy, relationships etc. And, working in a scientific field, I see plenty of such examples.
Stupid as in unable to aggregate data and synthesize understanding?
The state of modern tech and media more broadly eats heavily into people’s attention span. People have harder time concentrating, and it gets so much worse when they need to aggregate all the sources they have. They just don’t have enough short-term memory to keep it all together.
Stupid as in making weird life decisions?
Everyone’s life experience is drastically different than yours, and, seeing only the surface, people often downplay what others went through and how it shaped their thinking. Sometimes it introduces genuine logical errors into the behavior, and sometimes it just comes from a much different perspective than you can imagine. In their world, the decisions they make makes sense. In your world, you also normally make sense for yourself, even if you’re actually irrational in one thing or another. This does, by the way, include all the typical political rants - high-ranking politicians and their numerous advisors are unlikely to all be stupid. More likely, these people pursue different interests from what you imagine.
Overall, the word “stupid” is heavily overused and applied to a lot of different things. So, it always makes sense to clarify, or else it looks more like a rant rather than a genuine question.
Complaining about people being stupid is as old as the world itself, yet it’s not very productive or done in good faith. Before claiming anyone stupid, try to ask them for their perspective and the way they look at a problem. And if you’re able, unpack what you think is wrong.
And also: **Stupid as in willful ignorance? **
Cause education is not equal to intelligence.
To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom.
-Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Simpler & clearer:
Intelligence is solving-the-problem-efficiently/quickly…
Wisdom is realizing we’d been solving the wrong problem, & working-out what the right-problem is…
Wisdom’s meta-intelligence.
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Work at a university; try telling that to the academics. Some of them are phenomenally simple. They may be convinced of intellectual superiority because they’re a world expert in frog genders, but they struggle to solve simple problems or absorb reasoning without having it dumbed down.
A university is like a daycare for those adults. And the trantrums and toy throwing they have with each other, oh my god. Daily I wonder how some of these people would survive if they ever had to leave school.
Reminds me of a joke from Ghostbusters, when Ray and Peter are kicked out of the university:
“You don’t know what it’s like in the private sector. They expect results!”
Academia is a good walled garden for those hyper specialized researchers. They progress research and the institution acts as a patron and sanctuary from the world. Perhaps we should reward continued general education though
It also seems that the more specific a person’s education gets, it replaces general knowledge and thinking. For many it seems their entire thought process changes to focus on that specific thing, to the detriment of anything else. Doctorates seem to be less capable of working outside their specific focused niche compared to those with lower degrees. They’ve spent so much time focusing that they can’t unfocus very well.
This is the real answer. Most people conflate the two.
Certification is given to anyone with the money for it
There’s no major correlation between IQ and wealth
“book smarts” and “street smarts” are two completely different things. My sister is book smart. skipped a couple grades, went to university twice, once for her degree and again for her masters. She’s by all means well educated.
She’s dumb as a bag of rocks. She’s really good at studying. she’s a pro at it. but none of that knowledge is ever retained for extended periods of time. Once its “useful” i.e. for a test/exam/SAT/etc then it’s tossed out of her head. I can’t recall what she earned her masters in but if you challenge her to talk about it today she can’t. that’s the primary reason I can’t remember is because she literally is unable to talk about it.
what is her profession in, or your not the class, like her current career?
she’s a teacher…that’s what scares me more. she’s teaching kids. And the even MORE scary thing is she hates kids. she refuses to have her own because, and I quote, she “can’t stand children”. Essentially she’s good at cramming/studying the lesson plans and then info dumping it on the kids. Now trying to get her to actually understand or teach you what’s she’s actually dumped onto the kids well after the fact? good luck. I tried that once. One week she taught the kids some subject on earth science, tectonic plates I believe, I asked her a week later at a family dinner about it because she brought it up. she couldn’t explain it. it was out of her mind already.
Sounds like she’s good at cramming, not studying.
Her brain is a cassette tape😆
I went to school for business like a dumbass, so I didn’t learn shit about shit. That and genetics made for one dumb bitch.
It’s kind of interesting that most people here seem to assume that attending college is synonymous with education or knowledge. It would be nice if that were the case.
However, there are also quite a few people who went to college but didn’t learn a thing there - especially in countries like the U.S. or England, where a college degree costs an absurd amount of money, this happens all the time. It’s especially common there to find children of wealthy people who are as dumb as a box of rocks, yet still manage to buy their way into high society with a college degree - they’re guaranteed to get it, regardless of whether they learn even the slightest thing at university.
The current U.S. president is a good example…
