Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank have beaten to death a United States citizen in his early 20s, the victim’s family members and rights groups have said.

“We are aware of reports of the death of a US citizen in the West Bank,” Reuters reported a State Department spokesperson as saying. The official declined to comment further “out of respect for the privacy of the family and loved ones” of the reported victim.

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      That’s a good question, it makes me similarly think ‘What happens to the social contract when a nation & government no longer provide security to it’s own citizens?’

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    For once I believe on that “out of respect for the privacy of the family and loved ones”, because the BS the State Department spokesperson would have said instead would have been extremely infuriating for the mourning family.

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    It is a trend started that started a decade ago (ironically with Obama!) but the transition is now complete; Americans with a skin color, let alone if naturalized, are not considered “actual American” therefore no longer news worthy. At least, they still give a pass to those conforming with the ideology of the presidency that happens to be ruling at the time.

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      You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don’t care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

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          Don’t be deliberately disingenuous. And if you’re insist on it, then I’ll match you: point to where I said you used the word ‘only’ in your comment, in my comment.

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            You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon. There isn’t the same strong implication in Maple Engineer’s comment.

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              You comment strongly implied

              Oooooh, so now you’re willing to accept implied statements!

              What happened to demanding explicit quotes only? Which implicit is exactly the opposite of.

              And yes, there is the same strong implication in their comment

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                I never said that I wasn’t “willing to accept implied statements”? Their original comment absolutely did not imply they thought that it was only MAGAheads who were ok with Israel killing USAmericans, on the same level that you implied they thought that. You’re like that tweet about “I like waffles” “So you hate pancakes?”. They didn’t say anything about Biden either way…

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                  Their original comment absolutely did not imply they thought that it was only MAGAheads

                  Yes it absolutely did. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

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              Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don’t give a shit.

              Bold mine. Yes there is.

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                Where did they say they only thought it was the “Magazis” who don’t give a shit? You’re like those amerikan liberals who think that criticising genocide joe meant you thought trump was better. You can make a negative comment about one amerikan politician without it being a positive about another. They’re practically the same anyway.

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                  Oh look, you’ve suddenly flipped back to demanding explicit quotes, when previously you accepted implications.

                  Hypocrite.

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                Can I point to where I said you said that explicitly? I can point to where I said you said it implicitly though. (emphasis mine)

                You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon.

                You also more or less said it explicitly though, if you want to go down that route. I can’t quote a specific part of your comment because your entire comment is based on this suggestion. (emphasis mine again)

                You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don’t care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

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              I am begging reddit debate lords to actually learn what ‘strawman’ means, rather than treating the wikipedia page on logical fallacies like a list of magic incantations.

              I am also begging them to just talk plainly: “You strawmanned me”, rather than this insufferable nerd sarcasm bullshit of “sorry you strawman didn’t work.”

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                  Whataboutism is itself a thought-terminating cliché.

                  From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin ‘you too’, term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument.

                  Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media’s Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

                  Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

                  But what if “whataboutism” isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term “whataboutism” has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

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                  Get better.

                  Do you lot insist on writing like the most annoying losers on earth deliberately?