If you never pay for music, artists won’t be able to make new music. Where possible buy as directly as possible from the artist, e.g., through bandcamp.
If you send the artist money in the form of a check or a donation more of that money goes to the person who produces the thing.
It’s not possible to reach 100%, but every little bit of your dollar you ensure enters the pocket of a person who worked for a living is one less bit of that dollar that ends up in the hands of a leech or a parasite.
Giving Spotify or Google or Apple or whoever has inserted themselves into the system to absorb money for something that they don’t pay for is fundamentally not healthy for any part of the ecosystem of art.
In a way, I don’t see the point. Like, for example, what would my money do for someone like Metallica? Who’ve made millions for years doing what they do. I’ve pirated their music long ago and I don’t feel guilty because I know they’re a band who has signed contracts that were worth lots of money. Besides concerts, what would I be doing?
That’s pretty much where I would draw the line with these things. If bands and artists have signed with a label, majority of the time, you don’t need to do anything, they’re already making it, that’s what they wanted to do and they did it.
I agree with what you’re saying, and I should have been more clear.
I’m not saying you have to send them money, but if you do let money leave your wallet, we should be trying to make sure it gets to a deserving party.
I think in general, we should avoid giving money to extractive industries that don’t add value and I’m encouraging you to error on the side of sending that money directly to the artist/laborers and cutting out literally everybody else.
I agree with you in that no one needs to be sending money to Metallica.
It’s not worth the time effort or attention to pretend some small extra fucked up corner of capitalism can pretend to be slightly less fantastical and violent.
End this shit. Give everyone what they need. Help people find food and housing without requiring them to sing and dance for it.
From who’s pocket? It won’t be from the wealthy, because they are powerful - the wealth is a side-effect of that. They’ll still be powerful, and still have more than the rest of us.
Because, you’d find this hard to believe, that there are people who want to enjoy a hobby without feeling like selling out. Like there are actual artists who even see signing a contract with a record label as selling out. Because that would mean selling their soul, which countless of artists and bands have done over the years if it mean success and reach. But look at where that got them, might’ve got them fame and money, but it doesn’t attract artists who don’t care.
These artists wouldn’t mind working real jobs while doing what they enjoy. And they don’t mind using services like this. Some artists in the past, even saw pirating as a way of getting out and being known by people, it’s happened before.
It’s really not something i consider worth my time and attention. I know your liberal programmed virtues tell you that supporting artists under capitalism with your dollar-vote is the done thing, but i don’t agree and won’t be wasting any more of my time trying to reason you out of such a convoluted position on something that barely matters.
You could play the world’s smallest violin for them. Couldn’t get paid for it apparently, but still.
More seriously, we probably disagree and I won’t try to persuade you. Abolish capitalism and all that is preaching to the choir, but while we will live under it, if an artist you like has a direct way for your support (cash, bank transfer, crypto, whatever floats your boat) that doesn’t fatten music labels, would/do you?
Maybe, if it were convenient. Won’t be though, so it’s not something I’ve considered at length. They went after the archives though, and I think the entire concept of paying for media should take any hit that can be issued in retaliation.
“Some media company sued the Internet archive so now I’m not paying any artists for their work or the media I consume” is entitled bullshit. Esp after acknowledging many struggle to pay rent.
Burn your CDs and listen to the silence. Maybe a thought will wander through your skull-cavern
If you never pay for music, artists won’t be able to make new music. Where possible buy as directly as possible from the artist, e.g., through bandcamp.
If you send the artist money in the form of a check or a donation more of that money goes to the person who produces the thing.
It’s not possible to reach 100%, but every little bit of your dollar you ensure enters the pocket of a person who worked for a living is one less bit of that dollar that ends up in the hands of a leech or a parasite.
Giving Spotify or Google or Apple or whoever has inserted themselves into the system to absorb money for something that they don’t pay for is fundamentally not healthy for any part of the ecosystem of art.
In a way, I don’t see the point. Like, for example, what would my money do for someone like Metallica? Who’ve made millions for years doing what they do. I’ve pirated their music long ago and I don’t feel guilty because I know they’re a band who has signed contracts that were worth lots of money. Besides concerts, what would I be doing?
That’s pretty much where I would draw the line with these things. If bands and artists have signed with a label, majority of the time, you don’t need to do anything, they’re already making it, that’s what they wanted to do and they did it.
It is better to support those who hadn’t.
I agree with what you’re saying, and I should have been more clear.
I’m not saying you have to send them money, but if you do let money leave your wallet, we should be trying to make sure it gets to a deserving party. I think in general, we should avoid giving money to extractive industries that don’t add value and I’m encouraging you to error on the side of sending that money directly to the artist/laborers and cutting out literally everybody else.
I agree with you in that no one needs to be sending money to Metallica.
It’s not worth the time effort or attention to pretend some small extra fucked up corner of capitalism can pretend to be slightly less fantastical and violent.
End this shit. Give everyone what they need. Help people find food and housing without requiring them to sing and dance for it.
“Give everyone what they need”
From who’s pocket? It won’t be from the wealthy, because they are powerful - the wealth is a side-effect of that. They’ll still be powerful, and still have more than the rest of us.
Open https://bandcamp.com/discover?s=rand and check how many albums have sold more than 5 copies.
How are those artists able to make music without making money? Because according to you, they can’t.
Because, you’d find this hard to believe, that there are people who want to enjoy a hobby without feeling like selling out. Like there are actual artists who even see signing a contract with a record label as selling out. Because that would mean selling their soul, which countless of artists and bands have done over the years if it mean success and reach. But look at where that got them, might’ve got them fame and money, but it doesn’t attract artists who don’t care.
These artists wouldn’t mind working real jobs while doing what they enjoy. And they don’t mind using services like this. Some artists in the past, even saw pirating as a way of getting out and being known by people, it’s happened before.
Because with your logic they’d make nothing.
Never heard of passion projects?
And concerts
Artists can’t pay rent now. They make music though.
I work for a better world. I do not look for excuses to reward corporations that steal from artists to burn libraries, thanks.
I feel like “not paying artists” makes as much for a better world as “not tipping waitstaff”.
It’s really not something i consider worth my time and attention. I know your liberal programmed virtues tell you that supporting artists under capitalism with your dollar-vote is the done thing, but i don’t agree and won’t be wasting any more of my time trying to reason you out of such a convoluted position on something that barely matters.
You could play the world’s smallest violin for them. Couldn’t get paid for it apparently, but still.
More seriously, we probably disagree and I won’t try to persuade you. Abolish capitalism and all that is preaching to the choir, but while we will live under it, if an artist you like has a direct way for your support (cash, bank transfer, crypto, whatever floats your boat) that doesn’t fatten music labels, would/do you?
Maybe, if it were convenient. Won’t be though, so it’s not something I’ve considered at length. They went after the archives though, and I think the entire concept of paying for media should take any hit that can be issued in retaliation.
“Some media company sued the Internet archive so now I’m not paying any artists for their work or the media I consume” is entitled bullshit. Esp after acknowledging many struggle to pay rent.
Burn your CDs and listen to the silence. Maybe a thought will wander through your skull-cavern