Confidentiality in such a case is so stupid.
Court rulings have elaborate reasoning on how they come to their conclusion. Would be nice if we could have something like that when public goods like the Internet Archive are under pressure. For all of us to have a better understanding of the law, rights, and consequences.
Right, sounds like intentionally blinding the public
Makes me wonder how much of this was due to IA having the federal deposit label now. That had to have chopped the lawsuit in half as they can legally hold all of that music. The confidential part speaks volumes.
and the artists will get zero
Even with legal alternatives like Spotify, the artists still get pennies while the CEO and Joe Rogan rake in millions.
I completely understood why Maynard James Keenan and Tool was hesitant for a while about putting up their discography on there.
Never pay for music again, and don’t let anyone you know do that shit either.
They come for archives–nothing should be off limits.
Never pay for music again, and don’t let anyone you know do that shit either.
That’s quite a big umbrella. You don’t have to pay labels to pay artists. Plenty of artists release HOURS upon HOURS of high quality COMMERCIAL FREE underground bass / drum and bass / jungle / etc. You just have to know where to look.
I’m a bass aggregator for my local music scene and here are some artists putting out absolutely high quality shit free to you on the regular: https://odysee.com/@shades:3/liquidSoulBirthday089-4hr20min:6 https://odysee.com/@shades:3/fullcornmoonweek37:1
I plug into the mixer after about 5 minutes in the first link and 10 in the second. Please go pay your local artists and stop listening to cookie cutter produced for the masses music. It’s so much more rewarding when your favorite artists recognize your face and remember your name.
If you never pay for music, artists won’t be able to make new music. Where possible buy as directly as possible from the artist, e.g., through bandcamp.
If you send the artist money in the form of a check or a donation more of that money goes to the person who produces the thing.
It’s not possible to reach 100%, but every little bit of your dollar you ensure enters the pocket of a person who worked for a living is one less bit of that dollar that ends up in the hands of a leech or a parasite.
Giving Spotify or Google or Apple or whoever has inserted themselves into the system to absorb money for something that they don’t pay for is fundamentally not healthy for any part of the ecosystem of art.
In a way, I don’t see the point. Like, for example, what would my money do for someone like Metallica? Who’ve made millions for years doing what they do. I’ve pirated their music long ago and I don’t feel guilty because I know they’re a band who has signed contracts that were worth lots of money. Besides concerts, what would I be doing?
That’s pretty much where I would draw the line with these things. If bands and artists have signed with a label, majority of the time, you don’t need to do anything, they’re already making it, that’s what they wanted to do and they did it.
It is better to support those who hadn’t.
I agree with what you’re saying, and I should have been more clear.
I’m not saying you have to send them money, but if you do let money leave your wallet, we should be trying to make sure it gets to a deserving party. I think in general, we should avoid giving money to extractive industries that don’t add value and I’m encouraging you to error on the side of sending that money directly to the artist/laborers and cutting out literally everybody else.
I agree with you in that no one needs to be sending money to Metallica.
It’s not worth the time effort or attention to pretend some small extra fucked up corner of capitalism can pretend to be slightly less fantastical and violent.
End this shit. Give everyone what they need. Help people find food and housing without requiring them to sing and dance for it.
“Give everyone what they need”
From who’s pocket? It won’t be from the wealthy, because they are powerful - the wealth is a side-effect of that. They’ll still be powerful, and still have more than the rest of us.
And concerts
Open https://bandcamp.com/discover?s=rand and check how many albums have sold more than 5 copies.
How are those artists able to make music without making money? Because according to you, they can’t.
Because, you’d find this hard to believe, that there are people who want to enjoy a hobby without feeling like selling out. Like there are actual artists who even see signing a contract with a record label as selling out. Because that would mean selling their soul, which countless of artists and bands have done over the years if it mean success and reach. But look at where that got them, might’ve got them fame and money, but it doesn’t attract artists who don’t care.
These artists wouldn’t mind working real jobs while doing what they enjoy. And they don’t mind using services like this. Some artists in the past, even saw pirating as a way of getting out and being known by people, it’s happened before.
Because, you’d find this hard to believe, that there are people who want to enjoy a hobby without feeling like selling out.
Hobbyists have bills to pay, too.
These artists wouldn’t mind working real jobs
These artists wouldn’t mind working real jobs
These artists wouldn’t mind working real jobs
The use of “real jobs” already tells me that you don’t respect artists, which is likely the real reason why you don’t want to pay them.
Because with your logic they’d make nothing.
Never heard of passion projects?
Artists can’t pay rent now. They make music though.
I work for a better world. I do not look for excuses to reward corporations that steal from artists to burn libraries, thanks.
I feel like “not paying artists” makes as much for a better world as “not tipping waitstaff”.
It’s really not something i consider worth my time and attention. I know your liberal programmed virtues tell you that supporting artists under capitalism with your dollar-vote is the done thing, but i don’t agree and won’t be wasting any more of my time trying to reason you out of such a convoluted position on something that barely matters.
You could play the world’s smallest violin for them. Couldn’t get paid for it apparently, but still.
More seriously, we probably disagree and I won’t try to persuade you. Abolish capitalism and all that is preaching to the choir, but while we will live under it, if an artist you like has a direct way for your support (cash, bank transfer, crypto, whatever floats your boat) that doesn’t fatten music labels, would/do you?
Maybe, if it were convenient. Won’t be though, so it’s not something I’ve considered at length. They went after the archives though, and I think the entire concept of paying for media should take any hit that can be issued in retaliation.
“Some media company sued the Internet archive so now I’m not paying any artists for their work or the media I consume” is entitled bullshit. Esp after acknowledging many struggle to pay rent.
Burn your CDs and listen to the silence. Maybe a thought will wander through your skull-cavern
That’s an awfully defeatist way of looking at it, IMO.
The whole point of this lawsuit was to try and torpedo the Internet Archive. Would’ve been nice to know the explicit results from whatever settlement was reached. Was it for IA to just remove and ban the account that uploaded the works? I’ve no idea.
Either way, just the music labels making up numbers as usual to make the battle look unwinnable. Fucking pricks.
Never pay for music again, and don’t let anyone you know do that shit either.
They come for archives; nothing should be off limits.
