Well, shit, I’ll have to stop listening to Disturbed 10 years ago.
The biggest thing that pushed out of nu metal fandom when I was younger was learning that for every Serj Tankian there were four fucking goobers like Draiman spouting pretentious shit like “sex is just an exchange of energy” or unironically wearing Ayn Rand t shirts.
Even serj’s drummer is trump fanboy simp.
Current?
John Dolmayan
I wasnt aware he had a music project outside of soad. But it’s his brother in law if memory serves me correctly.
When people like this demand unity, they just mean agreement with their views.
Or they mean “okay, so I did something reprehensible. I’m not going to admit it so just shut up”.
Bud, you fucking autographed bombs.
Maybe he doesn’t know bombs are used specifically to kill large swaths of people.
like idk what he thought that was for?
This is not the same kind of participation as showing a little leg for the troops.
Maybe sign some food and medical aid delivery for different results. Doubt it will keep BB the moneychanger from sabotaging the supplies tho.
Maybe he’s been going through therapy, recently learned about love bombing, and thought he’d finally stumbled upon one?
I hope ur comment tickles curiosity saves someone from a badcult :3
No he signed artillery, not missiles not bombs. I blame the media for not reading the writing on the literal explosive, it’s just lazy journalism.
uhm ackktually he signed a 155mm artillery bombshell (nowadays shortened to just shell) and not artillery which are large cannon like weapons, transportable and usually operated by more than one person unlike a bombshell that’s a bomb or artillery shell designed to explode on impact 🤓
hope this helps!
You legitimately read what I wrote and thought I’d take more accuracy as an insult? Are you dense?
Let me ask you, what’s the harm in more accuracy? You seem offended by it so please explain exactly how it’s hurting your oh so sensitive feelins.
Also not a bombshell, never was unless it’s HE.
And what were these artillery shells intended for?
Do you need a pictogram because the obvious isn’t so obvious to you or is that an attempt at a gotcha question but you don’t quite understand how to actually pull that off?
My point was that, whatever the shape of the killing implements, the fact that they’re used for genocide is more important. A genocide Draiman is evidently supporting.
My point is the difference between a bullet and a nuke matters.
No one is arguing it isn’t genocide support, I’m arguing for accuracy. I’m not certain why you’d rather argue against being clear on things like I dunno the difference between a genocide and a defensive action. Words matter, words matter more when you’re a journalist because your words inform others.
I mean, he was signing the shells of whatever type. Kind of splitting hairs here because they’re not technically “bombs” in the traditional sense. He signed the shit that gets fired from whatever, close enough.
Yeah nuance fuck that shit all my homies love willful ignorance. Shit I hope all news starts to go monosyllabic. Bad man take. Good man try stop. Who needs more?
Man shut the fuck up, he signed shit that you launch at enemies to blow them up. It’s the same fucking shit.
You’re the kind of loser that goes “Um actually, that’s not an AK-47” like who fucking cares? The big picture remains the same.
And Neil Armstrong walked on a surface.
And you’re the kind of person that believes the first thing they see. Or is it rude to draw rude conclusions about people you disagree with?
This isn’t the time for stupid pedantry.
There’s always time for accuracy in journalism.
When your job is to investigate and report things as they actually are and you report on a thing that is telling you what it is and you say it is something it isn’t it calls into question the quality and depth of your work product. In this case a missile might be iron don’t related which is technically defensive if you ignore the eod that falls short of it’s intended target, artillery can be in defensive emplacements but it is in use only an offensive weapon which removes some plausible deniability for what’s his face.
Ask yourself why are people saying missiles or bombs and you’ll end up of you look finding a sole outlet that misrepresented what they were and people ran with it because let’s be honest paying attention isn’t so super common these days.
What do you expect from the official band of BMX copper wire thieves?
I have no idea whats with isreal. It just draws in people who you thought had completely normal takes and were proper human beings and turns them into some disgusting thing. Same thing happened with infected mushroom for me. They are in a genre, psytrance, which is anti war and promotes peace. The genre was born from traumatized israelis fleeing to india and discovering the party scene there. Literally one of the founding members of infected mushroom is a veteran whos said before that the music lets him cope with his trauma. How can you be such a hypocrite? And once again same thing with disturbed. They perform a genre and a cover a lot of songs that are blatantly anti war and anti faschism.
Zi*nism is a cult.
Truly is
AIPAC/ israeli backers need good pr, so they "hire’ people for PR purposes.
A lot of people were staunchly with Israel after the initial Oct strike from Hamas. Many have simply rested on their laurels and continued to back Israel, either thru laziness or some internalized fear or simple cruelty. Others have taken a step back and started to understand the bigger picture. The second group is much smaller.
Remember when he covered The Sound of Silence?
Kinda weird how someone can sing that song and completely miss the point of it.
Such a huge section of their music was anti-war and anti-fascism. It’s like if RATM came out and endorsed Trump. This is the first celebrity let down I’ve ever personally experianced, normally I’m able to identify the shitheads well ahead of time.
I had this same thought reading back some of these lyrics.
Good thing RATM is no more. It’d fucking break me if Zach came out as a
Conserv卐tive.
Can’t be.
What about “No More”??? Like, THEY wrote it and they performed it. What happened?
[Verse 1] Once again we hear them calling for war It doesn’t matter what they’re fighting for They light the match and watch the whole world burst into flame The story’s always the same So tell me, people, are you ready to kill? Behold the propaganda, get your fill A distant enemy is threatening our freedom again How much would you like to spend?
[Pre-Chorus] Millions are falling in line And it’s just a matter of time Endless destruction will ensure their pockets are lined For all time
[Chorus] No more defending the lies Behind the never-ending war
They count the money as the innocent continue to bleed
They paint a picture, and the whole damn world is deceived
I guess they also have other older songs like Immortalized and Indestructible which seem to be pro-war. I thought they had improved or something.
Today we feed on domination Secure a legacy that will never die Be immortalized
Show no mercy, let the world see We’re invincible
Every broken enemy will know That their opponent had to be invincible Take a last look around while you’re alive I’m an indestructible master of war
Conservatives and missing the point of their favourite songs; name a more iconic duo!
The point of the song revolves around many people’s inability to communicate.
I think you can understand the song and still be a piece of shit. For example, he understands the song and properly communicated to us all that he’s a monster.
Also controversial opinion but Simon and Garfunkel are not a difficult band to put out a banger cover of. If your music can capture an aching feeling you can cover their songs really well. Paul Simon was a musical genius.
You scared me with that “was” after “Paul Simon”, I had to check to make sure he wasn’t dead!
Tbh I had just assumed he was because he’s really old. But then again buzz Aldrin is still alive
“Unity” never actually includes conservatives, it always means having better people accept them no matter how horrifically shitty they act, while they change absolutely nothing about their behavior. Fuck this loser and all his loser fans
Actually the conflicts of this world and how we react are EXACTLY what define us as individuals in the course if our limited lifetimes? (quote from article)
Very airport jokes vibe. Like this guy hasn’t touched the ground in a while. Waded right out of relevency and into the highcash hustle.
We in Disturbed are all about unity, OK? We’re all about, no matter who you are, no matter what walk of life you walk, no matter where you come from, no matter how much money is in your pocket, you are welcome at these shows. You understand that?
But we’re also about blowing you up if you live in the wrong place and are of the wrong culture. Everybody else, they’re welcome to our shows. Unity man, for everybody. Except for the people I wanna kill.
Edit: or maybe he wants the dead children to come to his shows too, I dunno
Deathklok would sign Israeli artillery, but they’d also sign houthi rockets. And all the dead kids would be invited. Actual unity, not doublespeak. Oderous would call for unity by suggesting to bomb the white house and downing street, by comparison.
Deathklok would likely have those bombs and missiles at the show, fire them off, the projectiles would fuck up, veer back and into the audience.
An audience full of Palestinians and Israelis.
Oderous
😥
Deathklok would sign Israeli artillery, but they’d also sign houthi rockets.
This topic was already touched on the show : https://dethklok.fandom.com/wiki/Doublebookedklok
I would read this as:
If you pay to come to their show, you’re always welcome to be there.
Anywhere that’s not one of their shows is separate and irrelevant to the point they’re making.
I guess there are down with the sickness in Israel
What a fucking letdown.
Because of this guy and a few others like him, I’m more inclined to listen to dead musicians these days.
The chance of new scandals popping up is greatly reduced.
Chester Bennington still seems pretty cool. I hope Corey Tailor doesn’t do anything bad soon.
I hope Corey Tailor doesn’t do anything bad soon.
From 2020:
“I think that’s what’s happened, we’ve seen too many people pushed off the cancel culture cliff who didn’t really deserve it, because of this all-or-nothing quote-unquote morality that the left has.
“It’s so fucking full of shit and so hypocritical that it’s going to bite them in the ass. It used to be that there was a real moral center, honestly to both sides, and now we’ve abandoned that for the extremes.”
https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/corey-taylor-politics-cmft/
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Not a slipknot fan but that looks so much worse taken out of context. You’re practically proving his overall point lol
He’s saying the left will dogpile someone if they even say one thing they disagree with. Look at your comment…He’s right. The purity tests on the left are infuriating.
He COULD be more vocal about his political opinions but he’s a musician. I can’t fathom how stressful it would be knowing you’ll get attacked by fans and the media for any innocuous comment. If that happened to me, I’d just stop sharing my opinions publicly…Which is kind of what he did.
Quite interesting that’s your interpretation. I didn’t include the whole article to sate your need for maximum context, but I did link it.
See, what I think is the problem with what he’s saying is that he’s been doing this "both sider"ism, which is nonsense. You don’t need to think one side is with the angels and the others are devils, but to morally equate them is naive at best.
So it’s interesting that the point you’re picking up on is when he’s talking about cancel culture, so a good question to ask here is “who do you think has been wrongly cancelled?”, which sadly the interviews at the time don’t much delve into.
I assume you don’t listen to Rage Against The Machine because they’re too political? Or Megadeth? Dead Kennedys? Pearl Jam? Bruce Springsteen? System of a Down? U2? There’s a political dimension to most lyrics, even if you miss it.
He isn’t bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn’t even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase “cancel culture”
And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn’t be political. I said he’s within his rights to not talk about it
purity test
This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs.
Why do you assume I’m left? And am applying a purity test? I’m just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement.
You’re rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the “both siders” want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they’re all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism.
Certainly, he’s well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he’s actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS “fucking morons”.
Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did.
“The Left”? You mean American liberals or like the actual left?
Fuck. That’s really close to the edge, Corey.
The added bonus is that you also know it isn’t AI generated music.
The last Beatles song is heavily touched by AI, long since the death of John and George.
My mom was a big Beatles fan so I’ve listened to them my whole life. Good stuff.
But that “new” song sucked sooo bad. And it won a Grammy? What a joke. Gotta be one of the worst Beatles song ever released
FWIW the AI was really only used to extract “clean” vocals from the demo. Similar to Spleeter but obviously a lot more advanced. Restoring audio quality is a great use of machine learning
They also quantized both John and George’s recordings with AI. Not as bad as actual generative AI but also contrary to what made the old recordings great.
Like the lostprophets?
I can’t imagine what it feels like to find out the person who soundtracked your youth was a fucking monster. It’d be like me finding out Maynard James Keenan was keeping women prisoner in his basement for years.
Thankfully I never did get into their music. He’s dead and we know his character, so no.
Dead doesn’t mean good. It just means he/the band can’t change his/their stance.
Did you burn all your LostProphet CDs?
You first.
I just hope this all leads to never having to hear this bands garbage music ever again. I know they are popular, I never knew why.
I thought the band was fantastic and the music defined a few years of the metal scene.
We can hate the current bullshit without lying about the reality of the music itself.
Lying about the music? This band always sucked, I always hated it. This is my opinion. Can’t really lie about my opinion.
Because of your opinion on the quality of the music (note the distinction from the bandleader’s current behavior), I don’t care about anything you have to say about anything.
Your opinion sucks.
“Defined a few years of the metal scene”? Sure, buddy. Let’s not give them that much credit. Other bands shaped that genre in that era. Disturbed was always a B list band.
Just because you’re being a bit obnoxious I am calling you out to defend your stance with receipts.
B tier? Homie I hate nu metal. Here’s the reality.
S tier - Korn. Limp Bizkit. Linkin Park. This is on record sales, ticket sales, etc. they dominated. Tell me one nu metal band bigger than those three. Dare ya.
Now to sink your claim. Here’s 10 A tier nu metal artists. I argue that my S tier and A tier list comprises the actual definition of the genre. To satisfy your claim, you must remove Disturbed from the A tier list, and insert a band that deserves being there more. Only then will you even be agreeing with yourself. Until then, you’re admitting you’re talking out of your ass.
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Slipknot.
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System of a Down.
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Deftones.
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Papa Roach.
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Disturbed.
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Mudvayne.
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P.O.D.
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Staind.
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Taproot.
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Drowning pool.
Your move.
Lol ok…? I hate nu metal, but I understand which bands seemed to do the heavy lifting. I only liked Deftones. Korn and Slipknot were cool. Soulfly was great if you clumped them in the mix.
The bands that laid the groundwork for nu metal to exist were sepultura, quicksand, korn and deftones.
While nu metal became a thing corporations could sell then I would include slipknot, soad, deftones, korn, lincoln park, staind as the leaders. Limp bizkit killed it. Everyone else were b tier. Only s tier was deftones because they actually put effort in creating what they wanted and not what was part of the shitrock formula.
Your suggestion that soulfly belongs on the A-tier list instead of disturbed is akin to me saying The Who was B tier and Harry Nilsson was a king because lime and the coconut slaps.
We both hate nu metal. For some reason your personal favorite within something you hate is clouding your judgement.
When talking about what bands defined a music genre’s scene, the answer isn’t your favorites. That’s not what we’re talking about. Why would we be talking about that, ever? Let alone in this context?
Application denied. You clearly don’t even take your own argument seriously.
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Haters on the internet are a hilarious crowd. I bet you get immense joy from being contrarian.
The lead singer sucks and has definitely disappointed me, though.
I hated them in high school when they were popular and I still hate them. Why is that wrong?
My point was, I seriously doubt they helped shape nu metal scene. They had like 2 popular songs and people mainly just made fun of the monkey sound he makes.
Do you like Beethoven?
He liked them before they got all corporate.
I knew of Beethoven when he was in a garage rock band. Played the keyboards.
Yeah, no. They headlined Ozzfest for several years. Liking their music or not is a matter of taste; whether they were influential is not.
Yeah shit on them all you want, they were one of the most played bands growing up, it was my best friend’s second favorite band (he likes Breaking Benjamin too much) when we were in high school.
I don’t like them now, they just stopped being relevant and producing what I liked, but I won’t call their stuff trash, it helped define metal in a good majority of the 00s.
I’m a huge fan of Breaking Benjamin’s early albums. I suppose it’s natural to have been into both of these bands at the same time.
He’s a tool for genocide. That’s why he sucks. I’m not a fan of the nu metal genre, so I don’t care for their music, but the man is/was talented. His ability to add distortion to pitched vocals is what many metal vocalists strive for. Even if not trying to emulate his sound, he’s got like perfect compression built into his diaphragm. He has a good voice. That’s why people like(d) him.
But he uses it to protect genocide. So legitimately fuck him. Im glad AI will cannibalize his voice so anyone who wants to hear it won’t need to give that asshole a dime.
They absolutely ruined the Sound of Silence for me
It was the OOOh Wa ah ah ah ahs. The kids loved it!
I was a kid then. I didn’t love it.
David Draiman says he’ll take your money no matter who you are, and will also always support genocidal cults.
On Tuesday (October 14), the band responded once more, this time in person during their concert at the Ziggo Dome in Amsterdam. Onstage, Draiman called for “unity”, adding, “The conflicts that are going on in this world don’t define us.”
Simping for a genocide is a weird choice for “unity” unless what you mean is exterminating everyone who you don’t want unified…
Like, especially with religion this shit won’t end. Islam, Judaism, and all the various Christian flavors all literally worship the same God, with essentially the same base rules.
They just follow different prophets.
If one of the big three Abrahamic religions “won” and was the last group standing, they’d just turn on themselves.
Like Protestants vs Catholics, Suni vs Shia Muslims, or Orthodox vs Modern Judaism.
If there’s no large group with a big difference, the remaining group will fracture.
Simping for a genocide is a weird choice for “unity”
It is? It’s the only type of unity I’ve ever seen anyone call for here on lemmy.
All one big cult worshiping a god they know absolutely nothing about. These are sick people who need deprogramming.
