Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    whataboutism is a thought-terminating cliche.

    it ends up a very effective way of shutting down comparison between them.

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      2 days ago

      The whole point is that there is no comparison necessary. It’s nothing but a deflection.

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        2 days ago

        the comparison is very necessary when the problems and contradictions in the countries being smeared pale in comparison.

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          No it is not. If that’s the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by “yeah but that other guy is worse so it’s okay”. It’s preposterous.

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            yes it is, because it’s not china holding the world hostage with their trillion dollar military. they are qualitatively different.

            saying tens of millions or deaths worldwide (probably much more) and even more kept in poverty is in equal standing with getting into war with your neighbor for a few months 50 years ago is a wild exaggeration that serves to both sides an issue that has one prominent cause for a century or so rn. we have had enough of it.

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              it’s not china holding the world hostage

              I’m not going to play this game with you. The US being shit doesn’t excuse China from being shit. Or vise versa. Simple as.

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                but they aren’t. you still speak as if they are two big bad villains willing to nuke the planet.

                only one of them is and equating them is dishonest at best to someone subject to the empire and very deflective.

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                  19 hours ago

                  equating them is dishonest

                  Criticizing one of them on it’s individual merits while avoiding comparisons is very obviously not the same thing as equating both of them.

                  and very deflective.

                  LOOOOOLOLOL you can’t be serious.

                  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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                    14 hours ago

                    then why is it doing to the us “whataboutism”?

                    it is very deflective to go both sides bad when neither exists in a vacuum. especially considering the context of the fucking world being held hostage by the us.

                    i find it hard to believe westerners hate china that hard on it’s own merits, because it doesn’t warrant that at all.

                    but i do find it curious they always want to remove all context or straight up lie to criticize china, because that’s the only way westerners can.

          • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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            2 days ago

            I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s

            Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho