I am seeing this pattern a lot lately, whenever a person disagrees strongly or expresses conservative/right wing views, they are told to go back to reddit.
You can say ‘Don’t bring these bullshit views to the fediverse,’ or something of that sort. I am a reddit refugee myself, and part of the Reddit API exodus. Being told to go someplace I just left due to ethical reasons feels bad. So, I want to understand why it is being used as a retort. Is it really rude, or am I making a fuss out of nothing?
Edit 1: I am NOT defending conservative views, I think that they should not be given a platform in the fediverse. I am questioning how telling them to go back to reddit is a valid response.
Edit2 : Edited the the title to better represent my question.
It’s slightly less obvious than “log off”.
Redditors self-police their speech to fall in the window of acceptable debate. They are deeply brainwashed but have no idea of it because Reddit moderators ban anything not deemed “acceptable speech” by their media overlords. Hence they will spam the term “tankie” if someone for example tells them that killing the Iranian leader will only end up like killing Saddam in Iraq.
In the wise words of pedo-Zionist:
Somehow, it’s way easier to get banned here than over there, though.
I’ve always seen that used in response to some insipid memey smuglord comeback behavior
They are trying make lemmy like reddit and that’s why they act like buttheads.
“conservative/right wing” views are basically nazi views. calling this mindset “different views” is like calling child rape “different tastes”–it starts and finishes as complete bullshit. it’s not a different view, it’s a fucking wrong view.
people with these “different views” are in support of a corrupt pedo rapist fascist fucking con man, and we just bombed a school full of children. there is no echo chamber in support of any of that here yet, and honestly, if/when that becomes the case, i’ll be going somewhere else.
also, are you a right winger, on .ml?
dude, chill. this is not how you convince someone right wing that they are wrong (if this was ever your goal). I thought Lemmy was supposed to be a place for discussions allowing both parties to make their statements. if we will just shit on right wing here this place won’t be much better than reddit is.
Most instances have rules against bigotry and exclusionary behaviour, which rules out a lot of “statements” from one side…
I’m sorry to say that you simply dont ever convince someone that theyre wrong. Especially online. In my opinion, the only hope this place has of being better than reddit is by not tolerating that ‘just asking questions’ shtick.
I didn’t mean to say that conservative views are just different views. I phrased my initial post badly, sorry. I mean to say that this retort is used also for differing views. A few days back, I was asked to go back to reddit because I questioned the US-limited view of politics. I don’t think my view was conservative. I was just thinking in what situations this retort is used.
They are simply different views. Don’t get swayed by the nuts around here. Ya just ignore their extremism and accept that genuine discourse on politics isn’t done here.
It’s great for everything else tho.
you will find juvenile trolls on whatever platform you use, especially as more and more people join. fediverse is no exception. “go back to reddit” is the new “touch grass.” whatever rational explanation there may be for people lashing out probably isn’t worth the effort to understand. best advice is to ignore and/or block people who are making you read this much into their ranting.
I would guess that if your politics is based on selfishness, some might consider that antithetical to the idea of a fediverse.
Lemmy is older than the Reddit exodus, and historically had stricter moderation. When the exodus happened, the OG lemmy users saw the newcomers as rude at best, and various forms of bigots at worst. So ‘go back to Reddit’ is short-hand for ‘such talk is not welcome here’.
Yeah, but at that point it was pretty much a ghost town. The only acceptable commentary to some people is whatever they type to themselves.
But that is unironically reddit behavior to use such insulting and dismissive language rather than saying… “such talk is not welcome here”.
Immaturity shouldn’t be acceptable, even from the “correct” opinion holder.
It’s kind of typical human behavior. People love forming little groups and then wailing on outsiders to them. It feels good.
I think the Right Wing Playbook series on Youtube explains very well why we shouldn’t suffer alt-right and fascist style argument anywhere. They are not in good faith and don’t contribute anything to the marketplace of ideas.
True conservative thought has a place but that is very very rare to see anymore.
“conservative” as a valid train of thought died with john mccain
john mccain
The guy that sang Bomb bomb bomb Bomb bomb Iran?
No, they mean the guy from Die Hard
“Conservative” as a valid train of thought never existed
They’re all rich men with delusions of grandeur who want to maneuver rubes into magical thinking about holy ideals and how cooperation is evil because it’s not what nature intended, so they can rob them blind for their own gain.
Your question basically amounts to “Why are people being excluded for holding exclusionary beliefs?”
I am sorry if I worded this post badly, but my question is why is this phrase ‘go to reddit’ is used? You can simply tell them that their problematic views are not welcome here. Downvote. Report the comment. Why use ‘Go to reddit’ as a slur?
Maybe it’s a feeling of resignation that there are people that’ll just stay the way they are, no matter what action you take.
Maybe it’s confusion; why did they even leave reddit if they just want to say reddit things?
Maybe it’s a defense mechanism, after becoming accustomed to people attacking you for your views on every other platform.
Maybe its maybelline?
it’s not a slur, it’s a signal that that the poster types like they’re on reddit.
Look at it as a semi-creative variation on the theme of “go to hell.”
Some even fight you if you share the same views here. As long as dialogue is civil and respectful everyone should be welcome to their opinion.
Dialogue is a big part. I think the thing I have noticed in the internet is the reduction of red vs blue. Old vrs young. Left vs Right…etc etc
This seems to encourage a right vrs wrong arguments or a virtuous points scoring system. Deploying a dog whistle slogans is a tactic of either side of this
I view it as an effort to shut down the other side rather than hold dialogue and debate.
It’s hard to find common grounds between opposing views, but the least we can do is just accept that the other exists and each to their own. But these days we’re past dialogue unfortunately. It’s full on war, on all sides: religious, political, gender, race, class…
.ml being the biggest user of that phrase
oh thanks, I can block everyone in this thread to speed up my purging proccess
What?
They seem to have a reddit user mentality but are using “go back to reddit” as some sort of superiority feign, would be my guess.
Edit 1: I am NOT defending conservative views, I think that they should not be given a platform in the fediverse.
So you’d rather eliminate their voice to conserve the status quo here?
Are you sure you’re NOT doing that?
Don’t ”paradox of tolerance” this shit, you know we shouldn’t allow hateful rhetoric here. It’s the reason all the other platforms are fucking terrible now.
Hold up, isn’t that exactly the Paradox of tolerance, though? We cannot tolerate the intolerant conservatives in order to maintain a tolerant fediverse.
Yes, though as the person you’re responding to is trying to point out, using the Paradox of Tolerance to tolerate the intolerable because of some appeal to hypocrisy is exactly not how to use the paradox of tolerance.
While hypocrisy is an important part of the lessons to take from it, the hypocrisy parts are supposed to be about not stooping to their level in the process of not tolerating them as opposed to having to tolerate them.
Ahhh I think I misunderstood how they thought the Paradox of Tolerance was being applied.
Nah, this was a bit nebulous of a discussion since the original comment wasn’t exactly spelling out their intent.
After a few more replies, it looks like they weren’t trying to say bad ideologies should be tolerated in any form, more of just saying the, “go back to reddit” stuff is indeed stooping to a low that only the too intolerant use.
In the off-chance that someone is merely parroting bigotry/ideology that they were awash in and don’t truly believe, it is always better to tell them off in ways that don’t tokenize and reduce them to a charicature of the ideology. Especially don’t dismiss them in ways that allow them to dismiss you just as easily. “Go back to reddit” is tokenizing your own response, which just fuels division and enlightens noone.
I’d rather offer refutations and sound cogent counter-arguments, than leave them to run off unchallenged, doubling down with a sense of being right and up against the evil censors, conspiring in whatever echo chamber of bigotry they then find themselves welcomed to.
You think they are going to read your cogent counter-argument?
More chance of that if offered, than not.
Look back at the last 10 years of trying that. You don’t play chess with pigeons.
