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nekandro@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 10 months ago

In Ukraine, Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit

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In Ukraine, Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit

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nekandro@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 10 months ago
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A German medic said he was so troubled that he confronted his commander. Others boasted about killings in a group chat.
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  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    Nazis doing warcrimes. Shocker!

    • Mr_Lemmy@lemmy.ml
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      Fun fact: There are less nazis in the Ukrainian parliament than in France or in Germany … let alone Russia. Go look for nazis there … especially in the armed forces … You’ll find more than you might like. lol.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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        Isn’t it literally illegal to be a Nazi in Germany?

        No surprises for the Fr*nch though, read up on the nightmare shit they did in Algeria.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          Isn’t it literally illegal to be a Nazi in Germany?

          As always, it’s not illegal when you’re in the police while you’re doing this shit

          The German justice system has reported the discovery of Nazi symbols and child pornography in messages exchanged by police officers in a private group chat.

          Five police officers, aged 22 to 25 and from three different districts, were involved in sharing the illegal content, according to the public prosecutor in charge of the investigation.

      • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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        Bold move using whataboutism for countries that don’t have national holidays for the nazi leader who was in charge of the holocaust in their regions

        Extremely appropriate that a “Mr Lemmy” is a nazi apologist.

        • Mr_Lemmy@lemmy.ml
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          lol. You got it all wrong ;-)

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Then how come all those other governments can seem to organize a simple photo op without nazi SS symbols?

    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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      I know the mental gymnastics are strong, but only one side in this war sided with the Nazis, and it wasn’t the US

      • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
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        Ukraine is fighting to end the small portion of skinheads in its ranks, Russia is endorsing and supporting their own to this day.

      • krolden@lemmy.ml
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        The Ukrainians?

      • EasternLettuce@lemm.ee
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        deleted by creator

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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          This is one of the US’s partners in the war:

          America loves Nazis, whether they’re Ukrainian Neonazis or Zionazis.

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            The war is a classic example of fascist infighting

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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              Fascists are nationalists. Fascists from different nations fighting each other isn’t really infighting, that’s just like, regular fighting.

              Not something we should be fueling at any rate. Heaven forbid anyone asks about a peace plan that isn’t total victory, though.

              • tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
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                Yeah it’s tough to find a compromise when Russia seems to go for the total victory or at least a settlement of gains and Ukraine hopes for a stalemate.

                • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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                  Ukraine hopes for total retreat from all claimed Ukrainian territory, not a mere stalemate. That’s hardly compromise.

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            This one always hurts the tankie

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army

            Sheepooh is da greatest tho!

            • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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              ??? Why would old collaborators (of which decidents were justly punished later) hurt “the tankie”?

              Better mention banderites who ran off to the west where they were sucking up to CIA, MI6 and West German washed-nazi intelligence while murdering people left and right (in Germany, after war no less). it’s even in the wiki too.

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                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact

                what about this one?

                • duderium2@lemmy.world
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                  Hey liberal, I’m a little fuzzy on dates. Did this happen before or after the Munich agreement? Before or after Stalin tried to ally with Britain and France against the Nazis?

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            New Operation Gladio

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          Edit as example, or clue: See inset image of parade banner.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk

          That said, anyone, including Ukrainians who are doing these things should be brought to justice. No exceptions.

      • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        Is this a joke?

        • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941
        • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part II: The OUN during World War 2, 1941-1945
        • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
        • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part IV: The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992
        • The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
        • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
        • AP, 2014: Airstrike in eastern Ukraine kills 11 civilians
        • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
        • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
        • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
        • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
        • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
        • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
    • neeeeDanke@feddit.de
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      .ml user being a russian shill, shocker

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        I hope they get laid for all this shilling. That’s a lot of work and dedication to a hostile foreign actor.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      Assumes facts not in evidence.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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        Killing surrendering prisoners is a war crime.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          Yeah, but they weren’t Germans from the 1930s, so the war crimes are fine

  • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I figure the reason they do this is because Russian soldiers have been known to try fragging their would be captors.

    It sucks if these soldiers were trying to be genuine but this war’s given the Ukrainians plenty of reason to be distrustful of Russians in the battlefield.

    • BobDole [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Hey did you know that, under the US military’s Code of Conduct, captured servicemembers are required to use any and all means at their disposal to escape and return to friendly forces?

      This is how soldiers are trained in all militaries, and yet it is still a violation of the Geneva Conventions to murder prisoners of war.

      For more information, do some research on SERE

      • MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml
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        Umm, what if you could stop people from escaping without executing them?!

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      Justifying war crimes - the American way

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        Listen, Russians are literally Orks, tho. They’re not humans. You can kill as many as you want and it’s fine.

        If you think this take is hot, wait till you hear what we think about Palestinians, Mexicans, and anyone from Detroit.

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    The fact the NYT is reporting this makes me think it’s joever

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Hours after a battle in eastern Ukraine in August, a wounded and unarmed Russian soldier crawled through a nearly destroyed trench, seeking help from his captors, a unit of international volunteers led by an American.

    The shooting of the unarmed, wounded Russian soldier is one of several killings that have unsettled the Chosen Company, one of the best-known units of international troops fighting on behalf of Ukraine.

    In a second episode, a Chosen member lobbed a grenade at and killed a surrendering Russian soldier who had his hands raised, video footage reviewed by The Times shows.

    In a third episode, Chosen members boasted in a group chat about killing Russian prisoners of war during a mission in October, text messages show.

    A Greek soldier known as Zeus was at the center of all three episodes — tossing the grenade and, Mr. Grosse says, firing at the wounded Russian in the trench and bragging about another kill.

    But in the United States military, a video showing the killing of a surrendering soldier, regardless of the circumstances, would prompt an immediate investigation, said Rachel E. VanLandingham, a professor at Southwestern Law School and a former U.S. Air Force lawyer.


    The original article contains 2,902 words, the summary contains 197 words. Saved 93%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    Damn, that last line. The PTSD is palpable.

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