Why are we letting these kinds of people rule us?
They manufacture consent, couple that with the extreme oppression and destruction of the middle class since the nixon administration and neo liberal right wing policies that doubled down on these awful ideas while actively working to subvert and undermine any movement left on meaningful social issues. We didn’t let this happen so much as we were conditioned to allow it and be too exhausted just barely surviving that we would not have any energy to actively fight and thwart a blatant class war waged against the working class and poor right in front of our eyes,
What are we supposed to do? Vote? Protest? I think you’ve seen how effective those are.
So do you have any proposals? What exactly are we supposed to do?
Well, I was thinking of growing a group that focuses on helping each other reach self-sustainability, which would make controlling them extremely difficult, and would erode the ability of TPTB to exploit them. But my cognitive abilities declined very suddenly, and I struggle to keep a clean stack of clothes
Why does it say “accused” of doing a nazi salute?
Corporate news media is terrified of being sued for libel by Musk, even though it was obviously a Nazi salute. So they use words like “seemed” and “appeared” to avoid saying the obvious.
But the problem is, if you want to be taken seriously as a “news” organization, then you have to speak truth to power and that’s going to make you a lot of enemies. Companys have legal departments to minimize their risk, but in the case of journalism, that department exists to get you OUT of trouble not to keep you from ever getting into it.
Yeah but it’s not libel when he did it, but you’re right of course, only the thought of the court case costs money nobody except him have
cause of corporate bootlickers
I had a discussion on an industry Slack yesterday with a guy because I called Elon a nazi.
The guy brought immediately the discussion in DM and there I noticed he was wearing a kippa in his profile picture so I asked where was he from…
And he snapped and started to call me a jew hater and telling me that I wanted to bring him to the gas chambers and all the usual bullying.
Turns out the term they are using to make this connection is called Holocaust Trivialization.
I screenshot the whole discussion, blocked him everywhere I could find him (as I am doing with all Israeli people and businesses to be fair) and kept going with my life while he was still spewing insults at me.
This guy is the frontman of the most important conference in my industry.
Keep ready.
wow and is he an Elon fan too? or is he just one of those people who call everyone anti-semitist even those speaking against literal Nazi sympathisers lol
He put his hands forward and said, “I don’t particularly like Musk”, but really, I see no difference between the two categories you described. The Israeli narrative of not allowing to “trivialize the Holocaust” when I have just been calling the guy a nazi because he speaks, acts and supports like one is exactly the kind of wildcard that a Musk/Trump sympathizer dreams of.
As long as you don’t touch the Jews (or better israel and zionists), you are in the clear.
“dont particularly like Elon” is pretty soft compared to the reaction you got. I don’t know what he expects a non-trivial Nazi sympathiser to be like in 2025, someone getting a rifle and going around killing Jews randomly while singing “Die Fahne hoch”?
My problem is that I called an American-naturalized South African a nazi because of his political support, rhetoric and behavior and he answers “don’t trivialize the Holocaust”: how did he get there?
And what happens now that nazis are friends of Netanyahu? All clear?
taking notes ah so nothing says anti-Nazi more than autoblocking Jews, interesting
Zionism is the fascist movement within Judaism (although many Jews reject it being associated with Judaism at all). Being against Zionism is no more anti-Jewish than being against white supremacism is being “anti-white”. That’s how that actually works. Jumping to accuse anyone criticizing Zionism as being “antisemitic” is just a lazy, intellectually dishonest smear that everyone sees through, and you should stop polluting conversations with it.
Autoblocking israelis and autoblocking jews aren’t necessarily the same thing. Zionists are essentially nazis. Hell, zionists collaborated with the actual 20th century nazis too. Lots of jews died because of it.
And they ask themselves later golly gee, why did we lose the election
THEY DON’T SEE IT
I know this isn’t the point, but they’re not even good jokes? On a technical level. Forget the subject matter for a moment, they’re just bad puns that aren’t very funny or creative.
Agree, but the point of these “jokes” isn’t to be funny. The first objective is to offend and cause harm. The second is to phrase the offense in such a way that the offender has the option to say, “it was just a joke” when confronted by the offended. The guy has far more interest in causing harm to people than making them laugh.
Most likely had the idea to make some puns. Asked Grok and posted the responses he got. Path of least effort.
Wild how the only people defending Musk making a Hitler salute are a war criminal who is committing genocide and his father, who impregnated his step daughter twice.
Don’t forget there’s also the ADL, who want to equate those opposed to genocide as “anti-Semitic” and defend Musk who has been openly fascist and platforming Nazis for ages.
“Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming,” Musk posted Thursday, adding laughing-face emojis.
Being a dipshit Edge Lord all the time must be exhausting. Remember “Poochie” from “The Simpsons?” Yeah, that’s Elon. To the X-treme.
It’s extremely disheartening that people such as this are even given the time of day in the first place. It’s even more disheartening when people are getting fired for pointing out the obvious. I couldn’t be more glad to have deleted my Twitter.
And the stun lock continues. Kind of admirable
This is in no way a defense of Elon. He is a horrible Nazi and he hates Jews and I’m a Jew.
That said, I’m not seeing where he brought up the Holocaust. He made a bunch of very offensive puns regarding Nazi leadership, but unless I missed it, nothing about the Holocaust. All the critical responses seem to mention it so maybe I’m missing it?
I guess I feel like “makes Holocaust jokes” is just unnecessary hyperbole when what he said was awful enough.
Himmler was a German Nazi leader and the chief architect of the Holocaust
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler
His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler!
– Elmu
I think it’s probably fair to call punning on the name “Himmler” to be a “Holocaust joke”, but I can also understand if someone doesn’t think it is.
I guess. It feels like a bit of a stretch to me. If they said “Nazi Jokes” instead of “Holocaust Jokes,” it’s not like that’s still not terrible.
You can’t really separate the Holocaust from the Nazis.
So, next time Leon Hitler visits Israel, he can walk around giving the Nazi salute to the fascist Ben and the Likud Party?
Pos nazi makes jokes a nazi would? Shocked Pikachu face.
L-MAO 🤣😂
Genuinely fuck Musk. Cries he’s being called a Nazi while doing everything in his power to act like one.
Nobody does a Nazi salute by accident Elon… And especially not with a face looking like he just bust a nut while doing it.
You’re not wrong, but this article is more about Netanyahu’s flexibility around ‘antisemitism.’
You know, how it’s now considered antisemitic to criticize Israel’s war crimes, but it’s totally not antisemitic to do a Nazi salute and joke about the holocaust as long as you support Israel’s war crimes?
Netanyahu is a bloodthirsty ultra-nationalist, but his even deeper self is just another shitty corrupt narcissist like Trump. He thinks he’s got everyone conned, and he’s grabbing everything he can while using the war as his claim to power. As soon as the crisis stops, people will start looking at how much he’s on the take again. So he’s always got to stir the shit and keep the populace in a state of panic.
Yeah, there is a pretty big difference between “they think we shouldn’t defend ourselves” and “they think we shouldn’t commit war crimes and genocide while defending ourselves”. They initially had a ton of support for defending themselves after october 7th… but they turned the tides against themselves by almost immediately going way too far. It has absolutely nothing to do with who either side is ethnically or religiously or whatever, it is entirely the war crimes and genocide we want to stop.
They’re not even defending themselves. They’re killing women, children and old people. They’re destroying water purification plants and hospitals. Genocide is not an act of self-defence, it’s a crime against humanity.
I think they think “Nazi” or “anti-semite” is just like “bitch”; it’s an insult largely divorced from its linguistic origins. So a person is a Nazi if you don’t like what they’re doing, and the word means nothing more.
Edit: I think people misunderstood and thought I said these guys aren’t Naizs. They are. They just don’t like when people call them that because they don’t know how words work.
No. Elon is evidently a Nazi as he constantly advocates for facism and sepecifically uses the symbols and language of the historocal German Nazis.
I know. But he doesn’t use the term as if it describes an actual thing. He uses it to insult people he doesn’t like. He’s more than happy to BE a Nazi, but not be CALLED a Nazi.
he wants to act like a Nazi, spread Nazi ideas, help implement Nazi policies, and have Nazi friends, but not being called a Nazi
a face looking like he just bust a nut
He was making the Mussolini face.
I am from Rome and I support this message. Typical Piazza Venezia balcony face, which is also where M would occasionally fuck women offering themselves in admiration.
Nazis siding with Israel against Jews is no great surprise at this point.
The KKK supported black separatists in the US in their goal of creating an independent state in Africa. It’s almost like you can hate a group of people AND support their right to live on the other side of the world from you.
I think benji sees the utility there, and is also a fascist
Yup. Here’s a clip of the founder of the American Nazi party donating to Malcom X and the Nation of Islam.
The enemy of my enemy is an enema
Authoritarian regimes stick together…at first.
