Communication is most effective in the language of receiver. Rutte emulates Trump like ChatGPT.
Too many MAGA assholes and bootlickers out there, good for Canada and Spain to show them the middle finger
The utterly simplistic language of it all. 🙄🙄🙄
“in a big way”, “it will be your win”
It’s ridiculous
This make me feels somewhat awkward.
Good move TBH. Just like that, Trump likes NATO again.
If Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South. Sadly, Trump would never actually be anti-NATO, US Imperialism depends too greatly on it.
Yes, we know, you are preaching to the choir here, lemmy.ml.
But I’d rather we not back out of NATO, decouple trade and invade friendly neighbors all while the US continues to screw over far away countries first. At this point, backing out of NATO is not going to help our bad behavior.
After that, we can worry about not screwing with other countries so much, hopefully.
After that, we can worry about not screwing with other countries so much, hopefully.
Guess what NATO does?
So you’d rather we remain in NATO, terrorizing the global south, fully emboldened and screwing over the world? A US without NATO is one without the main imperialist army at its beck and call.
f Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South.
Lol no he wouldn’t.
He absolutely would, NATO is seen very negatively in the global south due to its constant aggression and its role in maintaining western imperialism. Just look at what happened to Libya, Yugoslavia, and even covert ops like Operation GLADIO.
How evil is NATO, stopping a genocidal Serbia.
NATO didn’t stop a genocide; it aided one[1][2][3].
During the latter half of [the 1990s], Yugoslav authorities engaged in a brutal counterinsurgency against the Kosovo Liberation Army. An Al Qaeda-connected extremist group armed, funded and trained by the CIA and MI6, the KLA sought to construct an ethnically pure “Greater Albania” - a Nazi-inspired irredentist project, uniting Tirana with territory in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia - via insurrectionary violence. Come September 1998, hostilities had erupted into all-out war. A UN Security Council Resolution that month demanded the two sides implement a ceasefire.
Yugoslav military forces were duly withdrawn from the province - in turn, the KLA exploited the army’s absence to intensify its bloody rampage, seizing further territory and purging non-Albanian inhabitants. A dedicated OSCE unit, the Kosovo Verification Mission, was also created to ensure Belgrade’s ceasefire compliance. KVM was granted full, unimpeded movement anywhere they wished locally. Their presence proved pivotal not only to the KLA’s savage crusade, but NATO’s subsequent criminal bombing of Yugoslavia March - June 1999.
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Sorry buddy, I read about your writers before the articles. Surely a group of people paid by Russia to advance Russian geopolitical aims would be unbiased. Russia Today *RT, (sorry, some capital leaked in) writers would surely be unbiased and not writing puff pieces for their objectively imperialist funders, right? Right???
It’s my belief that a nation that fell apart and had the majority of their conquests leave doesnt have a right to reclaim them. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and so is Bosnia and Croatia and… I invite you to seeth at nations now free.
I guess Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti are paid shills, too?
Ukraine is a sovereign nation
Ukraine may be sovereign on paper, but it’s a vassal of the US, which couped its government in 2014 (and 2004). Previously. Previously.
There was immense nationalism and ethnic violence on all sides, which NATO used as justification to bomb thousands of civilians to death along with key infrastructure in order to prop up a western-friendly regime. NATO intervention didn’t help the awful situation, it only steered the outcome into the favor of the west at the expense of war crimes.
Yeah they should have been left to genocide their neighbors, how dare NATO step in. Fuckin’ imperialists imposing their “morals”.
The Albanians were also committing extreme ethnic violence against the Serbs. When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, it killed over 300 Albanian civilians and over 1700 Serbian civilians, destroyed 164 state-owned factories, and bypassed UN approval against NATO’s own charter. Not a single private, pro-western factory was bombed.
The real reason NATO bombed Yugoslavia was because Yugoslavia refused to become a colony. Yugoslavia had agreed to give up Kosovo, but wanted the FRY to retain political and economic soveriegnty, and prevent NATO occupation. NATO countered by wanting full access to the FRY’s communication, infrastructure, and territory. Yugoslavia refused, and then NATO bombed them.
NATO involvement was about economics, not a humanitarian concern. NATO wanted open and full access to as many markets as possible, even if it meant bombing those who go against them in any real way. Just like what’s going on with Israel and the US bombing Iran, and NATO countries like the UK and France assisting Israel in air defense.
America controls NATO. They would never dislike it.
Translation: “Thanks to your stupid politics, you managed to pull EU closer and finally decide on things for Greater good.”
My sense at this point is that grotesque flattery works on Trump, but only to a point. Trump doesn’t really like anyone, the best you can do is a slightly-better-than-neutral relationship. (And at the other end he’s willing to coexist with anyone who hasn’t personally slighted him, like Kim Jong Un)
This is so poorly written I have no idea if it’s sarcasm or not.
Eh, looks like rutte writes English in the same way that he speaks it. Honestly I first thought that it was a shitpost, but no, it seems legit.
Rutte’s unique approach to English merely reflects the fact that his intellectual ceiling would challenge even the most ambitious root vegetable.
It’s written in a way for Trump to understand
Europe is going to pay in a BIG way
JDPON mark rutte, helping to bring about that unlimited genocide on the first world
Purely defensive pact btw
All in the interests of Europe btw
You are flying into another big success in the Hague
I wish
This can’t be real
Real tweet, fake text… no way any NATO leader would say “Europe is going to pay BIG” it’s just too Trump. Same with the incessant comma splices.
But big congrats to Trump for ruining the information space so completely that I genuinely cannot tell what’s real anymore.
AP is reporting this as real
I would love and hate to see proof that Mark Rutte really texted this to Trump.
The “Truth” post is 100% real, inarguably, but I haven’t seen anyone reporting the picture is of a real message from Rutte to Trump.
E: never mind that is… apparently NATO has confirmed the message is really from Rutte???
???
I need to go lie down.
I can tell you as a Dutchman, reading this I could hear Mark Rutte’s voice and it aligns with his anglophile suck-up character.
I couldn’t see him writing it any other way.I’m confused why people are surprised at this, to be honest. It’s entirely expected.
This is Mark Rutte.
He would totally say “Europe is going to pay in a BIG way” to flatter Trump.Hasn’t Rutte always been known for being able to handle Trump well? I’m pretty sure the only way to do that is kiss his ass in a way he understands, so this doesn’t seem too surprising.
I’m sure EVERY European politician randomly CAPITALISES words like some LUNATIC
I don’t believe this is real, but the all caps words aren’t random. They’re clearly for emphasis, the same kinds of words I might capitalize for effect. That is not really the unbelievable aspect of this scenario.
It’s Mark Rutte. He certainly would write it like this.
And signs their essay texts with their name. Very common as we all know.
This user is great when it comes to mimicking this.
He’s a true American PATRIOT who loves America BIGLY
Ran a quick search and multiple well established news outlets are reporting this.
I’m afraid it is.
The wording does seem very out of character for Rutte but it makes sense that he feels the need to stoop to Trump’s level and overdo the flattering.
Another .ml telling lies. There are only reports on this from bullshit sources. There are no major sources currently reporting this.
Care to share your “multiple well established sources” or should we just take your word for it?
Come on you can’t be this moronic.
It’s on the official trump account on his crap social media, you need BBC to show this link to you?
You really think people would go online and lie? Just because he posted it does not make it a real text. It does appear to be genuine though, but don’t just trust things cause someone said/posted it
Everyone can lie, even if Rutte said that the print is false he could also be lying(but they confirm that this is real). The point is, Trump actually post this shit, don’t need to be a fucking moron and say “Another .ml telling lies”
Why would this not be real?
It looks legit to me.
It’s got all the little idiosyncracy hallmarks Rutte has.
I don’t think Trump could make this up.Another person hating .ml for stating truths which oppose their fantasy world view.
AP: https://apnews.com/article/trump-rutte-text-message-nato-signal-6263810ac3ca77a5bf7366499f51c772
Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/ce9eb7e4-7989-45f6-a3b3-3cdec73a8540
Holy shit you are the biggest moron on your instance.
please stop with this ml bullshit
Really?
I’d say it hits it completely on point the way Rutte is, an anglophile that doesn’t want to rustle too many feathers unless it’s against leaders of countries outside of NATO.His party is super-pro-Israel and super-anti-Russia.
What’s he gonna complain about?
This is not real and does not belong in “World News”
It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.
Don’t fall for their bullshit.
This is not real
Don’t fall for their bullshit.
It turns out that—as usual—it is real.
It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.
Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users.
!worldnews@lemmy.ml is a lemmy.ml community. Why wouldn’t we be posting and voting in our own community on our own instance?
They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?
Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.
Yes, we’re “brigading” our own community on our own instance 🙄
On a related note, how is your vote manipulation report coming along? Given your trivially disproven accusations here, I predict it will be more of the same.
It will never not be funny that these people care so much about fake internet points, and think other people care about those internet points enough to ??? follow them around and downvote them?? Downvote lots of comments at once?? In a way that is somehow different from normal browsing behavior??
Like they’re not even tallied here like they are in the bad place, I genuinely don’t get it. Please drop the word bRiGaDiNg from your lexicon, I promise that absolutely nothing will change except you’ll be slightly less online and much better off for it. Sometimes you will get downvoted, and that’s okay. The world is not out to get you, even if it has a scary .ml next to its name and practices obscure forms of witchcraft like dialectical materialism.
This is Lemmy.ml’s World News community. Lemmy.ml users are not brigading their own World News community, lmao. The large proportion of Marxists on Lemmy.ml does lead to an anti-western bias, if you want a pro-western bias there are other World News communities like on Lemmy.world.
If you have proof that it’s fake I would like to see it, but this is a real truth social post from Trump even if he’s lying.
Proof that it’s fake?
How about you provide proof that it’s real? I still see no sources other than what .ml users say. Is that how y’all operate just parrot each other and blindly believe?
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114738606142462442
Good enough source for you?
Even better, thanks! Truth Social wasn’t working on my phone, lol
Here’s France 24 reporting on it. Trump posted the tweet, it looks like, whether he made it up or not isn’t yet known. Neither option would be unsurprising. Not sure what your bone to pick with Lemmy.ml is. Plus, you made the authoritative claim that it’s fake, if you suspect it’s fake then just say that, don’t pretend you have definitive proof if you don’t.
The Rutte team has confirmed it was indeed a real text sent by Mark Rutte to Trump.
It’s entirely expected, not sure why you’re in disbelief.
It reads like something Trump wrote about himself. He’s done that kind of bullshit before.
Or something written to pander to him.
If you know Mark Rutte long enough, you can tell the difference.
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If you know Mark Rutte long enough, then you know it’s his style of flattering a person by mimicking him, mixed in with his own style of speech.
Trump has also leaked private messages before.
It’s saying the quiet part out loud. Surely anyone who sees this will be outraged?
It isn’t really a quiet part, though, never has been. NATO has openly been a millitary alliance for the purpose of maintaining Western Imperialism headed by the US, no more and no less, since its inception.
Things I’d want to know before deciding for myself whether the screenshot montage is real, regardless of whether Trump shared it (he did):
- Have we seen other screenshots where Trump use enormous font sizes? Is that how bigger system text looks in this app? He’s not exactly youthful, so it’s no great surprise, but worth asking the question.
- Is it realistic that Trump or an aide would have screenshotted the entire message within two minutes of it being received?
- Does this messaging app routinely display the contact name offset and the profile image vertically cropped? What app is it?
Don’t know about any of it, but I’ve had Rutte as my prime minister.
This reads like the way he talks and thinks.
The biggest strength of Rutte is that he’s a chameleon,
so there’s no telling what he actually thinks,
but considering his party allegiance it’s pro-NATO through and through.
the north-atlantic terrorist organization has spoken
What a pathetic little worm Rutte is.
“What can we do to make it look like Israel is not committing war-crimes?” - Mark Rutte right before he got promoted to NATO chief.
I’ve had him as prime minister of my country for many years, so this is no surprise.
