• C1pher@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Translation: “Thanks to your stupid politics, you managed to pull EU closer and finally decide on things for Greater good.”

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    Too many MAGA assholes and bootlickers out there, good for Canada and Spain to show them the middle finger

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      If Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South. Sadly, Trump would never actually be anti-NATO, US Imperialism depends too greatly on it.

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        Yes, we know, you are preaching to the choir here, lemmy.ml.

        But I’d rather we not back out of NATO, decouple trade and invade friendly neighbors all while the US continues to screw over far away countries first. At this point, backing out of NATO is not going to help our bad behavior.

        After that, we can worry about not screwing with other countries so much, hopefully.

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          So you’d rather we remain in NATO, terrorizing the global south, fully emboldened and screwing over the world? A US without NATO is one without the main imperialist army at its beck and call.

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        f Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South.

        Lol no he wouldn’t.

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          He absolutely would, NATO is seen very negatively in the global south due to its constant aggression and its role in maintaining western imperialism. Just look at what happened to Libya, Yugoslavia, and even covert ops like Operation GLADIO.

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              NATO didn’t stop a genocide; it aided one[1][2][3].

              During the latter half of [the 1990s], Yugoslav authorities engaged in a brutal counterinsurgency against the Kosovo Liberation Army. An Al Qaeda-connected extremist group armed, funded and trained by the CIA and MI6, the KLA sought to construct an ethnically pure “Greater Albania” - a Nazi-inspired irredentist project, uniting Tirana with territory in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia - via insurrectionary violence. Come September 1998, hostilities had erupted into all-out war. A UN Security Council Resolution that month demanded the two sides implement a ceasefire.

              Yugoslav military forces were duly withdrawn from the province - in turn, the KLA exploited the army’s absence to intensify its bloody rampage, seizing further territory and purging non-Albanian inhabitants. A dedicated OSCE unit, the Kosovo Verification Mission, was also created to ensure Belgrade’s ceasefire compliance. KVM was granted full, unimpeded movement anywhere they wished locally. Their presence proved pivotal not only to the KLA’s savage crusade, but NATO’s subsequent criminal bombing of Yugoslavia March - June 1999.

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                Sorry buddy, I read about your writers before the articles. Surely a group of people paid by Russia to advance Russian geopolitical aims would be unbiased. Russia Today *RT, (sorry, some capital leaked in) writers would surely be unbiased and not writing puff pieces for their objectively imperialist funders, right? Right???

                It’s my belief that a nation that fell apart and had the majority of their conquests leave doesnt have a right to reclaim them. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and so is Bosnia and Croatia and… I invite you to seeth at nations now free.

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                  I guess Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti are paid shills, too?

                  Ukraine is a sovereign nation

                  Ukraine may be sovereign on paper, but it’s a vassal of the US, which couped its government in 2014 (and 2004). Previously. Previously.

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              There was immense nationalism and ethnic violence on all sides, which NATO used as justification to bomb thousands of civilians to death along with key infrastructure in order to prop up a western-friendly regime. NATO intervention didn’t help the awful situation, it only steered the outcome into the favor of the west at the expense of war crimes.

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                Yeah they should have been left to genocide their neighbors, how dare NATO step in. Fuckin’ imperialists imposing their “morals”.

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                  The Albanians were also committing extreme ethnic violence against the Serbs. When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, it killed over 300 Albanian civilians and over 1700 Serbian civilians, destroyed 164 state-owned factories, and bypassed UN approval against NATO’s own charter. Not a single private, pro-western factory was bombed.

                  The real reason NATO bombed Yugoslavia was because Yugoslavia refused to become a colony. Yugoslavia had agreed to give up Kosovo, but wanted the FRY to retain political and economic soveriegnty, and prevent NATO occupation. NATO countered by wanting full access to the FRY’s communication, infrastructure, and territory. Yugoslavia refused, and then NATO bombed them.

                  NATO involvement was about economics, not a humanitarian concern. NATO wanted open and full access to as many markets as possible, even if it meant bombing those who go against them in any real way. Just like what’s going on with Israel and the US bombing Iran, and NATO countries like the UK and France assisting Israel in air defense.

  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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    My sense at this point is that grotesque flattery works on Trump, but only to a point. Trump doesn’t really like anyone, the best you can do is a slightly-better-than-neutral relationship. (And at the other end he’s willing to coexist with anyone who hasn’t personally slighted him, like Kim Jong Un)

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      Of course not, it was the entire idea.

      This message is so obviously sucking his asshole, they couldn’t be more obvious yet Trump obviously has no idea

      The cheeto really has a long list of mental issues, doesn’t he?

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        Yep. But the point is Donald doesn’t realize his dick is getting sucked by someone trying to get a favor out of him rather than just because he’s such a swell guy.

        He’s a narcissist. All he sees is compliments, not the clear manipulation behind them.

        Give Trump praise, he’ll do exactly what you say. Which is why he thinks Putin is his best friend. Putin is just using Trump as a convenient idiot that’ll do anything asked as long as Trump feels he’ll be complimented by it.

        All he has to say is something like:

        “Oh Donny, at this time your big hands and strong will are our only hope. Won’t you please bomb Iran to protect the world and become it’s hero?”

        And that’s all it takes to start WW3. And Trump would post the message thinking it’s a compliment.

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          Still… As a European it (well…) sucks that any of our leaders would need to go this low for favors. Even if indeed they would go for 5 percent, the message should be “thank you, and now fuck off”. It is clear he sees Europe as an enemy and it is very likely this 5pcent is to drag our economies down while he saves his from the disaster he’s creating (where do you think Europeans mostly get their weapons and military equipment from?).

          So cocksucker rutte (and all the spineless clique except for Spain) gonna get assfucked too

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    Well i just found out some of these NATO leaders were Nazis so NATO might just be a white supremacist group technically.

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    Emperor rutte has spoken. Well deputy emperor to trump, rutte, has spoken. NATO members all agree to destroy their societies in order to boost military spending by 150%. Traitors in member parliaments will need to be executed if they object to the empire.

    At least Europes war on Russia will be worth it. Every 100 years, no one left alive to remember last failure.

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    Anyone else remember when libs were fearmongering that Trump will leave NATO and leftists said “don’t threaten me with a good time”?

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      I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
      Liberals are right-wing. Always have been, always will be.

      Liberal Dutch are not under the progressive umbrella,
      so while the Dutch progressive party is advocating to stop the war,
      Dutch liberals are in full support of it.

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        ??? What does Dutch libs have to do with this? I meant Usians and others here advocating for voting for Harris. They are naturally pro-NATO so they were using argument people should vote for Harris because Trump said he will make USA leave NATO, while it’s obvious NATO is one of prime tools of US imperialism and no way US will leave it and so Trump lied there, and the asskissing in the OP is clear proof.

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          Rutte is a Dutch lib.
          European leftists want out of NATO and they have actual political parties that can win.

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            Brain-rot exists. I constantly have to remind my right-wing shit head coworkers that they have more in common with liberals than I do.

            "Well whatabout™ this lib rep or that one???”

            Great, go get them. Drag them into the street and eat them to absorb their power or hang them in your basement with a ball gag for all I care. They are you’re homies, not mine.