At least 347 and up to 504 civilians, almost all women, children and elderly men, were murdered by U.S. Army soldiers. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and raped children as young as 12.
only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., the leader of 1st Platoon in C Company, was convicted. He was found guilty of murdering 22 villagers and originally given a life sentence, but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after his sentence was commuted.
Research has highlighted that the My Lai Massacre was not an isolated war crime. Nick Turse places it within a larger pattern of American atrocities enabled by deliberate policies from commanders, such as “free-fire zones” and “body counts”, as well as widespread racism amongst American military personnel. Many other atrocities were also covered up by commanders.
Why you should know about this: It is important to know about history so that we can learn from it, avoid the mistakes and atrocities of the past, and know which institutions have a history of performing atrocities, trying to cover them up, etc. and what that looks like.
Thank you for sharing, I had only heard of it tangentially until a Mr. Beat video on the Vietnam War. There’s a lot of fictional media in that time frame that references atrocities like this in that conflict, beyond just Apocalypse Now.
The only reason why my Lai is known today is because one helicopter pilot had a conscience and ordered his door gunner to open fire on their own troops if they were to approach another group of Vietnamese civilians that he decided to protect
Had he not, likely nobody would have known what happened
And only because this has gone public, they had to award Hugh Thompson Jr. with the Distinguished Flying Cross. Otherwise military court.
We aren’t the ones deciding to go to war and cause a generation of men to have their psychological well-being put through a wood chipper. We don’t produce the propaganda that make men willing. We don’t make poverty rampant so men get desperate enough to enlist.
It doesn’t matter if we learn, plenty of us already know and it doesn’t change anything. People like Trump, like Putin, like Netanyahoo, don’t care about us or whoever ends up a victim of their ambitions. Putin and Netanyahoo know what their troops do and don’t give a fuck, they might even use it to their advantage.
The problem isn’t learning from the past, it’s that psychopaths are good at gaining power. They know and simply don’t care. If voters weren’t such ignorant imbeciles, maybe they wouldn’t vote for ppl like Trump, but they are, so here we are. If customers weren’t such ignorant, weak willed cowards incapable of not buying the new toys, we wouldn’t fund the people stealing all the property and making us poorer every generation. We are all victims of the decision-making prowess of the average voter, the average consumer.
It is important to know this because when the military is turned on you, you should know they’ll obey. If you think there are enough that would so no, you’re wrong.
| Sentence | Life imprisonment; commuted to three years’ house arrest by President Richard Nixon |
Fucking hell Nixon …
“Protect the children and women” Except from my murderous rapist soldiers apparently.
Interesting how this narrative keeps getting used to justify our colonialism. “These are backwards savages and we are agents of progress and feminism” and then, in the course of the conflict, women and girls are raped, killed, and bombed while women’s rights are stonewalled or even stripped away back home
The police protect women,
WHICH WOMEN!?
I’m a little confused did I say the police protect women? I don’t think I did. Fuck the police.
it’s a quote from a song, sorry. i was in agreement with you
Nixon is dead, we will never know.
Reminds me of Trump pardoning that disgusting war criminal from Iraq
Welcome to war
Its not a war, it’s a raid.
US soldiers also raped thousands of French women during WW2.
Yup. They burned my grandma’s city to hide the looting.
Did they harm your grandma?
I’ve read about this too, and the US blamed the problem on black soldiers. Maybe that’s something that deserves its own post?
them vets are the main foment vector for what we now know as the white supremacy movement. not that the sentiment wasn’t prevalent, but it was disjointed groups, churches, cults, klan, militias, prison gangs, etc., each pushing their own thing with only limited local reach.
the influx of large swaths of radicalized and trained MAMs was the igniter. all those power squabbling groups started coming together under one banner and they had a new tool - computers.
early on, they realized you can reach a whole lotta more folks with the new tech than the usual zines and the like. so they formed armored truck robbing gangs, and used the proceeds to buy home computers for establishing a network of BBS all over the country, pushing their shit to previously unreachable corners. I mean, if that’s not a michael mann movie, I don’t know what is…
for more, kathleen belew - bring the war home, available at anne’s site or wherever you pirate your shit.
That’s just one village.
"According to the Information Bureau of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam (PRG), a shadow government formed by North Vietnam in 1969, between April 1968 and the end of 1970 American ground troops killed about 6,500 civilians in the course of twenty-one operations either on their own or alongside their allies. "
“Tiger Force, a reconnaissance unit of the 101st Airborne Division, probably murdered hundreds of civilians during a 6-month period in 1967”
and from bombing:
“Estimates for the number of North Vietnamese civilian deaths resulting from U.S. bombing range from 30,000 to 65,000.[35][4] Higher estimates place the number of civilian deaths caused by American bombing of North Vietnam in Operation Rolling Thunder at 182,000.[36] American bombing in Cambodia is estimated to have killed between 30,000 and 150,000 civilians and combatants.”
Edit: I haven’t done extensive research and as was pointed out the actual numbers might be much higher, and my figures don’t include deaths and damage from Agent Orange chemicals
The US murdered over a million civilians in Iraq.
Yeah, and those were “woke” wars according to the psychos in charge now.
Robert MacNamara stated that the US killed 3-4 million civilians during the Vietnam War. Since he was the Secretary of Defense during that time, he wouldn’t have exactly benefited from exaggeration of the total.
after learning of the massacre, he wrote in his memoir that it was “the conscious massacre of defenseless babies, children, mothers, and old men in a kind of diabolical slow-motion nightmare that went on for the better part of a day, with a cold-blooded break for lunch”.[
yo what the fuck
For context “he” here is General Westmoreland.
The issue here is humans. In large groups humans do terrible things. Usually in small group interactions they are pretty decent. It’s very odd. But probably the result of evolution. Other branches of “human” that didn’t act this way were probably wiped out by those that did.
Please tell me you’re not trying to excuse the rape of civilians as “it’s just what humans do”.
It has nothing to do with evolution. These were angry men, taking out their frustration and anger of being drafted, watching their friends die for nothing in a jungle, on the local population. Rather than the government that sent them there in the first place.
The source of their anger fueling their ruthlessness is not evolutionary. It’s manufactured by the ones that sent them there in the first place.
Neither of which justifies rape or mutilation in any way. But it’s why they were capable of doing what they did. Anger and hate.
While I understand what you’re trying to get at - that humans in a group can do terrible things they wouldn’t do alone - what you wrote is simply not true in and of itself - large groups of humans do not necessarily conduct massacres, it’s far more of a function of the society and the conditioning of the people - these atrocities were conducted because those in the US military saw the Vietnamese as subhuman, and thus had no empathy for them. The reason they felt that way was because of societal conditioning.
You may be surprised to learn that humans are actually the most co-operative animals on the planet - the scope, scale, and variability of human cooperation greatly exceed that of other animals. Our species is the only one we know of which demonstrates an innate willingness to help others we have nothing in common with.
Some of the greatest accomplishments in human history have been achieved by humans working together to accomplish a larger goal. The ruling class divides and atomizes us to turn us against our best interests and our better natures so that we may be more readily exploited to their benefit.
This is bad. What Japan did to China was worse.
ok are you a three letter operative bro
What Japan did to China was worse? Ok. So what? What relevance does that have?
Is that how your approach everything in life? Your mother is raped and mutilated, that’s bad, but what Japan did to China was worse. So… stop complaining I guess? (Obvious sarcasm but I genuinely fear you won’t catch that)
Sure, you should make a thread about that.
You can always find something worse. Doesn’t make it acceptable.
“I broke my arm! Well a full body burn is worse. Oh, ok, I feel better now.”
“We’re not as bad as the worst of the worst” isn’t the gotcha you seem to think it is.
I suppose many of the perpetrators who were there are still alive today. I wonder if they sleep soundly in bed at night.
Of course they do. People thank them for their service. These brave brave war heroes
Someone who lacks enough empathy to brutally gang rape women and children are rarely people who feel remorse for hurting others. They unfortunately probably laugh themselves to sleep at night knowing they committed some of the sickest shit imaginable and will never be punished.
War. What is it good for. Absolutely nothing.
Other than fulfilling the desires of sociopaths under the guise of being a patriot
