The extremelyinfuriating part: these people vote.
Voting causes autism, look it up sheeple.
using the internet causes cancer, look up 5G it’s an internet thing sheeple
I got one that’s actually true.
Part of the male ejaculate is produced in the prostate and that is also where a bunch of carcinogens end up. Ergo no fap might give you cancer eventually. Ejaculation prevents cancer!Sigh. *Unzips*
Damn that explains why I was diagnosed at 20. It wasn’t because women in autism is severely underdiagnosed, it was because I had only recently gotten it by diligently voting in every election since turning 18! 😫
Caprinae exists! Look up sheeple!
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a follow might be: Do the people know better vote? Can they?
This is the correct perspective. As it turns out, a huge amount of people that believe Bill Gates is injecting 5G chips into people absolutely don’t vote. If you recall, the first amendment nuts in the loser convoys and a bunch of the J6 defendants weren’t even registered to vote and yet they screeched election interference. For an election they didn’t even bother to vote in.
2020 was one of the highest blue voter turnouts in national history making record first time voters in their 30s and 40s.
So yes, it should be pointed out that everyday people turning out to vote against this brain rot is just as important whether or not magats and human vegetables are voting too.
A lot of them can’t anymore though 😔
This is a stupid arguments, TBH.
There’s no argument…
They’ve been working on a COVID vaccine since the SARS epidemic, but that fact won’t stop the stupid.
Also, cancer isn’t one disease but a whole class of diseases. And we actually do have vaccines that prevent certain forms of cancer, like the HPV vaccine.
I WONT LET MY KID GET THE HPV VACCINE. IT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH NO CONSEQUENCES
Ma’am, pregnancy is still a consequence of sex as you obviously should know after having 5 kids.
if she grew up with a certain kind of religious education, it’s possible she still might not have drawn that particular connection
There is also a lung cancer vaccine made in Cuba, called CimaVax (I think).
There’s some hurdles to getting it though, depending on where you are.
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Also, the amount of computational power that was made available for COVID research was recorded breaking.
If you were on Folding@home at that time, they couldn’t get enough WU out fast enough for a while. Gamers really showed up and helped.
Yeah, it helps when you have a mind-boggling amount of computers across the world crunching your data.
Also, why wouldn’t they use a cancer vaccine for a “mind control” or “tracking chip”.
I always found the tracking chip conspiracy stuff to be particularly funny. Unfortunately, I never personally met any whackos that believed it.
The best method for very accurately tracking them was the thing they likely used to post about the COVID vaccine tracking you.
Belief isn’t needed.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine. https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218
And Bill Gates talking about doing it in a reddit AMA.
Yes. The Jannsen and Oxford vacancies.
However, vaccines using mRNA technology are VERY new.
The thing that bothers me the most about (mostly right-wing) anti-covid propaganda is that they use the argument that it was rushed to market. The vaccines were rushed to market thanks to an FDA emergency provision that removed a lot of the “red tape” that companies normally have to go through to get any medical item into the hands and/or bodies of consumers.
So many right-wing politicians campaign on the promise of removing red tape and getting rid of these things that protect all of us. This is literally what they say they want.
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…
The only right wing value is the acquisition of power and influence, that’s why they don’t hold to any position, they will just stand wherever benefits them the most in that moment.
And by they, you mean the right wind politicians in power.
The people who vote for them are constantly voting against their immediate interests.
If we had some sort of ranked choice, a lot of these one-issue voters might actually have a choice in their representation. Which would be good for all of us.
What does “left wing” and “right wing” mean?
The origin of a word is largely distinct from how people use it in the modern day.
Broadly speaking, left wing is about creating change, ideally for more equality or the betterment of all. Right wing is about conserving the status quo and traditional power hierarchies, because they are accustomed to benefiting from them.
So would ideologies like fascism, georgism, anarcho-capitalism, ethno-nationalism, etc be left-wing?
When in doubt, remember that oncentration camps are not compatible with “equality or betterment of all”.
So then what are they- since they aren’t ideologies about conserving the status quo?
Concentration camps protect establishment power.
Also, these vaccines were not developed in under a year. There was literally several DECADES of research and testing on coronavirus vaccines (anyone remember SARS), and mRNA / adenovirus vaccine tech.
Saying these were rushed is a flat out lie.
They were rushed in that they did rush to accelerate the development- largely through increased funding. However, that does not make them unsafe. Of course investing more into research can generally speed it up.
The only thing that was accelerated was the scale of the tech infrastructure and the testing to target this specific variant of coronavirus. Coronavirus vaccines, and the modern technology to deliver the vaccines, was developed and piloted long before the COVID 19 started floating around.
We were lucky AF.
Generally right-wingers oppose efficacy requirements not long term safety trials- the COVID vaccine simply did not have enough time for that. Or they oppose the FDA entirely- which is a different thing because then you could hold drug companies liable rather than them being able to lean on the FDA for protection.
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Where did you read this nonsense? The COVID vaccines are FAR more effective at preventing illness and death than the flu shot. The things we learned about mRNA vaccines made for COVID will be used to improve the flu shot and other vaccines in the future. There is quite literally no reasonable argument against the vaccines. They’re extremely safe and extremely effective.
There is quite literally no reasonable argument against the vaccines.
I’m not making one.
I’m arguing the continued need for masks to inhibit spread and further development to protect the very old and very young who can’t benefit from them.
This simply isn’t true, they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death. Variants came along that stressed them but the main purpose of those two things has stood firm.
they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death
But underwhelming at preventing infection and spread, particularly for newer variants.
Which is why further R&D needs to continue. And people still need to mask up if they want to avoid contributing to contagion.
Like annual flu shots, the covid shot are freaking amazing at keeping people alive and out of the hospital. Do the ensure that you won’t get sick? No. The point is to reduce severity and spread.
Do the ensure that you won’t get sick? No.
Plenty of vaccines do. More R&D is needed. Masking, particularly during new outbreaks is needed.
The Covid vaccines were really very effective against the original strains they were developed against. They effectively reduced the chances of infection.
By the time we got to omicron- less so, though still good at preventing serious disease
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- Vaccines against coronavirus have been in development for decades. The urgency for them really ticked up with in the early 2000’s with SARS coronavirus floating around. Also the tech for quickly developing mRNA vaccines has been in the works since the 80’s.
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- HIV is a very different virus and we do have pretty good treatments to prevent infection (prep) and stop HIV from becoming AIDS. I have someone in my family that has had HIV for decades and he is going to die from old age, not AIDS.
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- Cancer, like a broken leg, is not a virus. It’s an entirely different medical problem.
you raise a good point. we still don’t have vaccines for broken legs either. this puts the reality of all other supposed vaccines into further doubt.
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/s in case that wasn’t clear
Well, I’ve heard about this one guy named Logan who got a vaccine for broken bones… After he got it, he never broke a bone in his body again.
… He also got sweet blades that come out from his hands.
Also significant parts of mRNA vaccine research were built on HIV research! Fighting HIV/AIDS directly led to the technologies that let us make the Covid vaccine possible. We really do “stand on the shoulders of giants” - we build new knowledge based off the work of those who came before us!
mRNA vaccines yes, not more traditional vaccines like J&J- but generally true.
There IS the HPV vaccine, which is basically a cancer vaccine for one set of cancers.
I guess you could say the same thing about hepatitis vaccines.
HPV and hepatitis are not cancer, but they can increase the risk of certain cancers. Often times the best way to beat cancer is to limit exposure to the things that can increase the risk of getting it.
Immunotherapy is also often called cancer treatment vaccine. And HepB vaccine also protects from liver cancer associated with Hep B.
Also good to remember there’s also newer tech like alphafold from the deepmind project - using AI to really, really accelerate development.
Absolutely blows my mind.
To these people an apple isn’t an orange. They can’t tell that they’re both fruit.
Thanks for explanation.
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The worst part about this is that the MRNA tech used in the COVID vaccine was developed specifically to make cancer vaccines.
And mRNA vaccine technology has been advancing for decades. It’s disingenuous to suggest that “it only took ten months.”
There were also early coronavirus vaccines being developed with mRNA tech to fight SARS and MERS. I have a friend who got the MERS vaccine as part of a test group.
And it came together with new rapid prototyping technologies for vaccines, and far better computer modeling than anything anyone has ever had before. Like, there were a bunch of technologies that just happened to be coming into maturity at almost the same time, and between those technologies and the combined powers of most of the major vaccine labs on the face of the planet, and the near-infinite money to tie all of that in a nice package, a vaccine was developed in 10 months
It’s really a story of humanity actually pulling their shit together and deciding to throw all their chips in a pile, as it were.
I was already amazed by the vaccines’ development but this really put into perspective just how fortunate we were and how Herculean the effort was to do it. It truly is awing what can be accomplished when the tools and our collective will are combined for a singular purpose.
They scream about it, but MRNA tech & the other advancements involved enabled us to get from zero-to-vaccine in record time, and I’m convinced that because of that, my 84yo mother with COPD is still here!
They call it conspiracy, I call that victory!
Partially enabled. Without mRNA we still would have had J&J and Astrazenica.
Why the fuck are these idiots so weirdly obsessed with Gates. He’s a fuckin’ retired OS monger, not a supermegapolyscientist
His foundation is heavily invested in vaccinating populations in the global south. On paper at least – I don’t trust billionaires or their foundations, most of it is tax evasion anyway.
Say what you want about bill gates, but that guy is the second highest donor to the world health organization, only behind the USA (yes, the country). Beats even all the other countries
billg knows how to spend it.
I’d rather tax the rich and let the people decide what to do with their money than trust all billionaires to do the right things.
This particular person is on a mission to do to malaria what science and governments did to smallpox, eliminate it from existence forever. You don’t spend 80 billion dollars to save on your taxes. He’s no perfect saint, but there are rich people who are more selfish.
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Because if you notice, the conspiracy theories tell them to hate anyone that’s mildly helpful to humanity and celebrate sociopaths like Trump. Gates isn’t perfect but as far as philanthropy related work, he did some decent things sometimes.
JFK conspiracy theorists would disagree.
You can’t logically lump all conspiracies together like that.
he’s really rich and has paid lip service to liberal ideas, that’s enough
Gives them someone other than themselves to hate.
He was also very friendly with Epstein…
Honestly at this point what rich cunt isn’t
god i hate gates and wish he never did this whitewashing bullshit but these vaccine dumbasses have as many brain cells as their iq value
There are two reasons for no AIDS vaccine: 1) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that targets the immune system and 2) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that is primarily associated with a group that one political party has a contingent that wants that group dead
More on 2: even though it’s also transmitted via blood transfusions and other “innocent” ways, the main transmission risks are unprotected sex and shared needles when using drugs.
No way conservative, religious countries are putting up a grand effort to find a vaccine for promiscuous young people and drug users either, even if they aren’t gay.
Oh absolutely. Ending a needle exchange program in the 21st century gave Indiana a massive aids problem. Currently due to different cultural perceptions straight people are more at risk of hiv than gay people in some places.
And also yeah, what actually made the US government take aids seriously was a young boy getting it from a blood transfusion. He was young enough that it was obvious he wasn’t having gay sex or doing drugs.
There’s an idea with HIV much like HPV that you got it due to life choices and so you deserve it. But it’s important to understand here that AIDS is an absolutely fucking horrific death and nobody deserves it. It’s a death where you’re so weak you may die from a common cold. And for the worst of it in the 80s, it was alone with doctors afraid to touch you as holy men screamed how you deserved it.
Also I believe AIDS virus mutates very rapidly, which makes it harder in that sense to develope a vaccine for it.
https://www.hiv.gov/blog/encouraging-first-in-human-results-for-a-promising-hiv-vaccine/
An HIV vaccine is in human trials
Well that’s a good news I like seeing in these sea of sad news.
oh sure another possible hiv vaccine that certainly wont be forgotten in a month
The point is that some viruses are harder to pin down than others.
They found a 100% effective way to place microchips on our bodies within just 10 months? Damn, I didn’t know science had advanced that much.
I thought they did that when they jabbed our heels when we were kids
I can pay with my wrist now.
we have been microchipping our pets for decades
They’re referring to the people that think Gates funded vaccine research as a spy program, like they don’t own Android phones.
Or Apple phones, or Amazon echo devices, or the entire surveillance economy.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine.
The research was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
Motive is subjective but the funding isn’t.
Uh huh.
And a skin dye pattern has what, exactly, do with microchips and GPS blood trackers?
Cuz if you think those are the same thing you’re going to go wild when you hear about other kinds of tattoos.
It’s the gates funded spy program you referred to. You don’t need compute resources or location tags. Just a way to store data on a person.
Get vaccinated, get tattooed
Passed your driving test, get tattooed
Pay your tax, get tattooed
Arrest at a protest, get tattooed
Etc.
As a general rule, I don’t panic over things that can be done in an excel spreadsheet too.
Do you often tattoo excel spreadsheets on your body?
yeah its a stupid premise, but this is still a bad argument
Nah it’s fine
you can’t seriously argue something has been developed for ten months if the technology has existed for decades…
Ignorance appears to be like rabies in at least one way, once it rots enough of your brain you become fearful of anything and everything around you.
I’ve come to think that stupidity is the default condition of humans. And I don’t mean in the sense of “you start off not possessing much knowledge.” I mean stupidity, not ignorance.
If you study some evolution and anthropology, you learn that the brain is an incredibly expensive organ. Most life forms opt for a lower level of intelligence that’s good enough to get some food in their face and their genitals where they need to go. The brain is a massive risk and it’s miraculous how it’s managed to pay off in our case.
Still, thinking is hard work. I think most people would rather do hard physical labor than actually think hard about something difficult. The brain itself functions like a shortcut machine, too. It doesn’t do hard calculations on where that tennis ball is going to bounce. It makes a “good enough” guess, and that’s it. People instinctively look at what other people are doing because it’s so much easier to let your neighbor figure it out and then copy them. And, yes, people love to subscribe to a worldview, political position, or belief set that someone else is selling and just let them do all the big thinking for them.
You could look at it as willful self deprivation, and it is, but I think it’s also just the basic gravity of pure resource management constantly pulling people down into lower levels of mental activity. Thinking takes a tremendous amount of energy.
What an interesting take, fits my world view perfectly.
Rings pretty true in the face of trans advocacy. In our case it’s really hard to fight a very simple take on something that seems like an easy “fact” because to do so depends on an understanding of a pretty specific psychological condition that dovetails into some complex social and philosophical principles and a history of how we got medically to the place we are in regarding treatment that really weren’t mainstream knowledge… And still kind of aren’t because people are more easily sold 90’s mad scientist logic over the structures that exist.
Like trans folls and their loved ones often become versed in psychology, phillosophy, history and sometimes endocrinology as a matter of survival. It’s way more efficient for most people who don’t need to constantly defend their quality of life to just shut it all down and repeat the thought terminating cliches, feel like they are the arbiters of truth while leaving damn near everything on the table untouched.
I relate very hard to it being like fighting the gravity of low mental resource allocation. It can feel like being crushed.
Oh yeah being trans throws a whole lot of heavy thinking at people. The worst kind: having to rewrite long-settled assumptions. I find it pretty easy to modify my long held definitions of gender. It’s really just recognizing the difference between sex and gender, which I’ve always known. But even I struggle to remember pronouns and names for people I have known all my life who then transitioned. And I’m willing and trying. There are folks with no trans people in their (probably very small) immediate lives and they just can’t overcome that gravity to make the change, don’t see why they should have to bother, and this leads directly to them trying to cancel the entire category of thought. It’s depressing as fuck to see people get up and fight to defend their mental laziness.
I mean for a lot of people it’s pretty easy to understand once it’s someone they care about.
If a random salesperson calling your friend ma’am makes her whole damn week why wouldn’t you do that for someone you care about?
I feel like half the issue with a lot of advocacy is we go a little too far into the intellectual stuff? I mean it definitely helps to know that the ethical underpinnings of the movement are epicurean but like… You go over someone’s head you rarely get em in the heart.
I think it’s arrogance that is the default condition. Specially if you are educated, because now you feel confident your opinions are correct, and others are wrong and must be stupid.
This is mostly why people don’t get along very well. Everyone thinks they are right and they have this need to fight people who says something differently.
Massive downvotes with no comments is a sign of this behavior.
I’m not sure that last sentence tracks, if people need to fight people who disagree, wouldn’t they be leaving comments, vocally disagreeing/verbally attacking the other user or their position? Just downvoting and moving is still “getting along” so to speak.
Downvoting is the lazy version of that…just press a button if you don’t agree with something. It’s a bit like giving reviews to people based on what you think about what they write.
You call it “lazy,” I call it time management. No one has the time or intellectual bandwidth to respond to all the deeply stupid comments on the Internet, so downvotes give us a quick and easy to register our opinion and move on.
Explains all the memes being popular I guess… Minimum effort :)
And tribalism is really strong. For many it doesn’t matter if what they’re fighting against is actually logical, as long as they’re doing it together and they have a common enemy like some nonexistent deep state that was made up by the Russians to sow dissent in the United States
In fact, there are vaccines against some cancer types. There’s a virus, which is responsible for almost all womb cancer cases. Here in Germany, the vaccine is free, if you’re under 20 iirc.
The HPV vaccine will pretty much make cirvical cancer a thing of the past too.
Now also being given to males as HPV is linked to anal and penile cancer.
And men mostly spread it to women, who develop cervical cancer.
Papilloma virus👌
“Things I don’t understand make me scared!”
I remember when the anti GMO, anti pharma, anti vaxx nuts were the fringe of the fringe left and now they’re mainstream conservatism sigh
It’s the woo to Q pipeline.
Let’s not get it twisted, you grouped all those like it’s the same. I believe in science and vaccines, but fuck big pharma with a rust pole.
This goes with being mRNA free that some anti-vaccine people tout around. They did their research well enough not to figure out what mRNA is.
Hahahahaha
I’m mad, but for the wrong reason. I’m mad we haven’t invested enough in research for cures to other things.
AIDS treatment has changed a lot though. It’s not the wasting death sentence it used to be.
Cancer is a trickier beast, because it’s so essential to what we are. Very closely tied to aging. But cancer treatment has changed a lot too. There are actually some cancers which are highly treatable and in some cases eliminated with a single shot. Look up Rituxan.
Yeah there are living people who contracted aids in the 80s. Like it’s kinda night and day culturally and you can get whiplash reading accounts of the time. Huge name powerful people were completely helpless and then suddenly it was an unpleasant treatment but you’d live. And now we have prep and pep. Literally there’s plan b for hiv available in every emergency room in the developed world
With all those miracles, it galls me that some people are still down on medicine because there isn’t a simple one-shot “cure.” It’s like the small pox vaccine made people think that until someone is a one-shot deal, science has failed.
I’m also mad that we, apparently, haven’t invested enough in education.
One of the worst parts is that there are many valid reasons to criticize Bill Gates with regards to the COVID vaccine (mainly as it pertains to his intellectual property crusade leading to a few companies getting to dictate the rollout and screwing over the Global South in the process), but it’s all drowned out by these idiots screaming about microchips.
Honestly it seems a lot of these “conspiracy theories” are just bullshit stories spoon fed to stupid people to keep them chasing their own tails and distract from the real issues.
Since the dawn of man
~Religion has entered the chat.~
That’s because all of that is too complicated for these simpletons to understand. They think “intellectual property” is a smart guy’s personal belongings.
Yes. The Oxford vaccine should have been open source. Gates money changed that.
Poor Dolly Parton.
She help fund a vaccine and no one is banging on about her vaccine causing you to get a large blonde hairdo (we all know it’s a wig), and large breasts.
There is no democracy in the targeting of people who’ve helped fund development. I think they’ve missed a trick.
Think I’ve just had an idea about an article taking the piss out of anti -vaxers.
I mean there’s been so much research towards AIDS that it’s not the death sentence that it was in the 80s.
However, there probably would have been even more progress had Reagan not stifled progress
Yeah I was going to say the reason there hasn’t been significant progress on a HIV virus isn’t because it isn’t possible but because for the longest time the bodies that could provide funding for the research thought HIV killing ‘the gays’ was a desirable outcome…
Maybe 30 years ago.
But in the last 20 years there has been a lot of of funding towards prevention and researching a cure.
https://avac.org/project/resource-tracking/
An HIV vaccine has proven itself to be an extremely elusive target.
But with recent developments in biotechnology, it may not be much longer before we finally have get one.
not to mention being undetectable, untransmisable, uninfectable and no symptoms even when poz on PrEP - although not technically a “cure” is still pretty damn close
