This is so stupid, he does bad things on X and then as punishment they lower his salary? Not that i really care what happens to this man but this doesn’t sound like a fair system to me. Either he is guilty and should get a fine or go to jail, or he is innocent and goes to work (however evil that job is) and gets paid like usual.
This isn’t a matter of law and no one is making that argument. This is an employer potentially taking disciplinary action which has nothing to do with legality.
Politicians aren’t the employer, ICE is. ICE should be abolished. According to your thinking, politicians can also lower a teachers salary because he has posted something woke online. I know no judge is involved, maybe i didn’t word it clearly, but i do think this has to do with rule of law because it is about who has something to say about the actions of an individual outside of his job, which is a very relevant factor imo.
Presumably members of congress don’t usually get a say in the disciplinary actions of any federal agency.
ICE sent a letter to Veasey stating it would address the matter and that such internal investigations can take up to 120 days, but it has otherwise not provided any information.
Veasey’s amendment came a week after the Observer reported that Rodden, who was apparently pulled from federal immigration court schedules following the Observer’s reporting last February, had returned to immigration court in Dallas.
Since ICE doesn’t want to fire the guy, this is one of the few official acts thay can be taken to “encourage” him to leave on his own.
Since ICE doesn’t want to fire the guy, this is one of the few official acts thay can be taken to “encourage” him to leave on his own.
Which in this case is great, since Rodden is a bad person doing bad things. But a politician shouldn’t be able to say something about someones salary or employment imo. Bad people still deserve to be treated fairly, that’s how rule of law works.
as someone who’s taxes pay this douchebag’s salary, I am fine lowering it to 1. Or fine firing him for conduct unbecoming.
Do you realise you’re taxes also pay for a teachers salary, and politicians having something to say about this salary also means they have something to say about that teachers salary? I would be fine with ICE lowering his salary, i’d be fine with ICE firing, i’d be fine with him being taken to jail after a fair trial. But politicians having this power is very very dangerous in the current political climate, even if this single time the power is used for doing good.
The problem is, it’s an illegal salary, which means he’s going to have an opportunity to sue, choosing more tax dollars to defend it, and then whatever court awarded fine on top of it.
Because the rule of law is, that if you commit crime x you get punishment y. Lowering salary is not a regular punishment. If he would be fined with paying a fine the amount of his salary that would be ok with me. I’m not saying this man doesn’t deserve punishment. But if his punishment was torture i’d also call that unfair.
Rule of Law means equal punishment for equal crimes regardless of the person committing them, so he should get the same punishment as someone who doesn’t work at ICE.
As far as I can tell he didn’t break a law, it’s just a conflict of interest to have a racist prosecuting immigrants. So cutting his pay to force him out of the position was all that could be done by the people trying to remove him from that role. But you feel that isn’t fair.
If you don’t break a law you shouldn’t be punished by the office that is about whether laws were followed or not. I know that sounds crazy. He could be punished by his employer, fine. He could be punished by an angry mob, fine. But if this guy gets punished while not breaking the law, you can bet some other people who didn’t break the law will still get punished. For me considering something legally fair has nothing to do with what he deserves. I don’t think we’ll come to agree on that.
If you’re at work and you do something that would get you fired (which isn’t against the law) you should be fired. Why defend a racist in this scenario?
I’m not defending him, that’s the result of me arguing the system should be fair. If his employer would fire him, i would be silent. Politicians are not employers. Let’s look at it from another perspective; imagine a colleague of this racist have an x account where he tells people to come to protests about climate change, do you think a politician should have something to say about his salary too?
You can do something intentionally and still have someone consider that stupid. I get a lot of downvotes because people like him punished. I’m fine with him being punished, i am not fine with politicians acting as employers. A politician should also not be able to vote on the salary of a teacher, policeman or someone who cleans the government buildings. That is what i called stupid, the fact that he can punish someone for something wrong.
This is so stupid, he does bad things on X and then as punishment they lower his salary? Not that i really care what happens to this man but this doesn’t sound like a fair system to me. Either he is guilty and should get a fine or go to jail, or he is innocent and goes to work (however evil that job is) and gets paid like usual.
No, fuck you. He gets 1$ so he quits.
This isn’t a matter of law and no one is making that argument. This is an employer potentially taking disciplinary action which has nothing to do with legality.
Politicians aren’t the employer, ICE is. ICE should be abolished. According to your thinking, politicians can also lower a teachers salary because he has posted something woke online. I know no judge is involved, maybe i didn’t word it clearly, but i do think this has to do with rule of law because it is about who has something to say about the actions of an individual outside of his job, which is a very relevant factor imo.
Sunshine. Who created ICE?
Presumably members of congress don’t usually get a say in the disciplinary actions of any federal agency.
Since ICE doesn’t want to fire the guy, this is one of the few official acts thay can be taken to “encourage” him to leave on his own.
Which in this case is great, since Rodden is a bad person doing bad things. But a politician shouldn’t be able to say something about someones salary or employment imo. Bad people still deserve to be treated fairly, that’s how rule of law works.
You’re defending the racist white supremist ICE prosecutor?
No i’m saying he is doing something stupid.
and employers have evry right to remind folks “free speech” does not mean “no consequences.”
as someone who’s taxes pay this douchebag’s salary, I am fine lowering it to 1. Or fine firing him for conduct unbecoming.
Do you realise you’re taxes also pay for a teachers salary, and politicians having something to say about this salary also means they have something to say about that teachers salary? I would be fine with ICE lowering his salary, i’d be fine with ICE firing, i’d be fine with him being taken to jail after a fair trial. But politicians having this power is very very dangerous in the current political climate, even if this single time the power is used for doing good.
i’m well aware of what taxes go to. and … well ok with none of my taxes paying bigots. all of them.
The problem is, it’s an illegal salary, which means he’s going to have an opportunity to sue, choosing more tax dollars to defend it, and then whatever court awarded fine on top of it.
Why do you feel it is unfair for his salary to be lowered?
Because the rule of law is, that if you commit crime x you get punishment y. Lowering salary is not a regular punishment. If he would be fined with paying a fine the amount of his salary that would be ok with me. I’m not saying this man doesn’t deserve punishment. But if his punishment was torture i’d also call that unfair.
Rule of Law means equal punishment for equal crimes regardless of the person committing them, so he should get the same punishment as someone who doesn’t work at ICE.
As far as I can tell he didn’t break a law, it’s just a conflict of interest to have a racist prosecuting immigrants. So cutting his pay to force him out of the position was all that could be done by the people trying to remove him from that role. But you feel that isn’t fair.
If you don’t break a law you shouldn’t be punished by the office that is about whether laws were followed or not. I know that sounds crazy. He could be punished by his employer, fine. He could be punished by an angry mob, fine. But if this guy gets punished while not breaking the law, you can bet some other people who didn’t break the law will still get punished. For me considering something legally fair has nothing to do with what he deserves. I don’t think we’ll come to agree on that.
If you’re at work and you do something that would get you fired (which isn’t against the law) you should be fired. Why defend a racist in this scenario?
I’m not defending him, that’s the result of me arguing the system should be fair. If his employer would fire him, i would be silent. Politicians are not employers. Let’s look at it from another perspective; imagine a colleague of this racist have an x account where he tells people to come to protests about climate change, do you think a politician should have something to say about his salary too?
Why assume he’s being stupid? Seems his opinions are intentional and informed.
You can do something intentionally and still have someone consider that stupid. I get a lot of downvotes because people like him punished. I’m fine with him being punished, i am not fine with politicians acting as employers. A politician should also not be able to vote on the salary of a teacher, policeman or someone who cleans the government buildings. That is what i called stupid, the fact that he can punish someone for something wrong.
TIL America jails people for racism
Only poor
It sets a precedent that a very scary