American here:
I would like for the civilized world to do a full trade embargo on the US. I want the economy to nosedive so hard that either the GOP votes to remove the motherfucker from office, or get crushed in the biggest electoral landslide in history in 2026.
As a Canadian, it really really sucks that we have to hurt our friends to help them, or you’ll hurt us all worse. It really sucks that you, personally, had to say those things too, but it’s also brave, and makes me hopeful that we can get through this.
Another Canadian with the same sentiment.
I feel like the sane world needs to make a global Alliance where if America tarriffs any country in the membership, everyone else responds with similar tarriffs.
America needs to learn that it isn’t alone in the world and it can’t survive in its current state without friends.
Poor Columbia having to give in to America’s demands over coffee, if they had an alliance with other countries maybe they could have said fuck you Trump.
German here, I stand with the same statement the from the guy above me that referred to the guy more above.
Anyways - In the first tariff “war” trump unleashed in after 2016 we tried to tariff stuff from the US, but since we don’t import a lot of things from the US, we only had tariffs on Whisky and Jeans (I’m not even joking, this happened).
the unfortunate thing here, is that the US and the USD is so integral to global trade, that we would probably experience a global economic downturn similar to that of the great depression.
That’s happening either way, my dude.
depends on how stupid the admin is. It shouldn’t happen. But we’re moving a lot further towards it.
They’re a perfect mix of people that are stupid, evil, and greedy that will absolutely devastate the global economy.
yes but i’m hoping that someone will knock some sense into them, somewhere along the line, ruining an economy is a good way to get yourself killed, as the leader of a country.
That is probably the most effective thing that could happen. But if they won’t do it to Israel for committing genocide then I doubt they’d do it for it’s political doppelgänger.
I think it’s more likely they’ll go after us than go after Israel, because the world doesn’t have centuries or millenia of anti American bigotry stored up that in a twisted fashion leads them to let the Israeli government do whatever it wants to poor Muslims as long as that means there’s a Jewish state.
What complicates matters is all the military power we have and the certainty most people have that Trump would order it to attack anyone who embargoes us.
The only problem with accelerationism, is that sometimes it accelerates in a direction we didn’t expect or want.
It’s very possible that whatever terrible consequences befall our political body have been planned well in advance by people smarter than us, or those in the cameras, and this whole thing is the groundwork for actually seizing and abolishing democracy.
Best case, we depose a wanna-be despot because things go to shit.
More likely case: we get both concentration camps AND a dictator.
It’s very possible that whatever terrible consequences befall our political body have been planned well in advance by people smarter than us, or those in the cameras, and this whole thing is the groundwork for actually seizing and abolishing democracy.
grade A cope
this is some sector C level copium right here
I don’t think you know what that word means, but it’s okay, even if you’re illiterate that just puts you in the lower 25-fucking-percentile in the nation.
that’s unfortunate for you, since i am probably more educated than half the people on this site.
Including you, call me when the NWO doesn’t take over the government and the US just collapses (or doesn’t, which is much more likely)
I genuinely have no idea what you’re babbling about mister “I’m smarter than half the people here” big shot super important dude.
It’s wild how the people who are most eager to profess their own intellect are always the ones who can’t communicate worth shit and are completely ruled by reactionary responses and surging emotions. Again, it’s ok. You fit right in with most American median voters. Pull up a chair and take a number. All the numbers are #1 so you feel important and special just like everyone else.
I genuinely have no idea what you’re babbling about mister “I’m smarter than half the people here” big shot super important dude.
i know, unfortunate that the illiterate retard (me) on the site is smarter than like 50% of the user base, truly some trying times we live in.
It’s wild how the people who are most eager to profess their own intellect are always the ones who can’t communicate worth shit and are completely ruled by reactionary responses and surging emotions.
i’m so mad rn lil bro, you couldn’t even perceive how angry i am right now, no cap, fr fr.
Again, it’s ok. You fit right in with most American median voters.
the american median voter has an overwhelmingly overlap with people being ok with donald trump. So.
Pull up a chair and take a number. All the numbers are #1 so you feel important and special just like everyone else.
so true, we stopped past that number, just didn’t need anything else, binary ftw.
The world has that option. Come to think of it, it’s pretty pitiful they haven’t the humanity to stand up to this monster looming across the sea.
I’m almost as disappointed in the rest of the world not standing up to the USA as I am disappointed in my fellow citizens’ abdication of social and civic responsibility, common decency, and basic humanity.
Translation: I don’t want to to go or of my comfort zone and actually do anything. I just want those other people across the world to fix it for me.
I am asking for help because I can’tfix this on my own. It’s okay to do that.
Just go out there and protest man. You can do it. Organize and all that. But some shotguns or whatever.
Spoken like someone who’s been to countless protests and organized community events. Countless.
I have over 50 guns. I’m good there.
Nice try, FBI
Did we stop them from building the internment camps at the border in his last term?
Did we stop the Biden administration from using them once Trump built them? No, no we did not.
Okay now that we agree concentration camps bad, what is your opionion on trump making new ones?
Also bad I expect these to rapidly go from detention camps to work camps.
FoxCon 2: Nacho Boogaloo
Biden made a gesture, but it was feckless and performative. He EO’d not renewing DOJ contracts with geogroup and core civic, but the current contracts stayed in place and were years from expiration. And, it was just DOJ which does not include ICE. Geo and core run the majority of these detention compounds on the border. They have been buying political influence with the money they get from government contracts. Of course Trump is all in for it. They have been lining his pockets for a long time. The more people locked up, the more money they make. And by “they” I am referring to shareholders, which consist of cops and teachers and other municipal workers who have their pensions invested in geo and core. Capitalism has started to eat its own tail.
Yeah, never mind, you know Trump built them. No bid deal great guy.
Does your arm get tired with all those straight elbow salutes or do you get used to it? How hard is it to learn that craze walk you guys do?
Are you accusing me if supporting Nazism because I have an issue with the government using concentration camps?
Do you think you have a moral high ground when you suggest that it is ok for one party to use these camps?
I believe we shouldn’t he deporting undocumented people who haven’t violated serious laws. Do you think differently?
He’s still stuck in 2014 and thinks screaming Nazi at everyone who disagrees with him is going to change people’s minds.
People like that are just using the performative righteousness as an excuse to bully people.
People like that are just using the performative righteousness as an excuse to bully people.
Don’t disagree about the performative righteousness (also appreciate the new term) - but the current admin, many of its figureheads and an alarming number of its supporters sure fetishize the Third Reich. Not really something to be ignored, imo.
Completely agree. We all must take action, but here isn’t a great place to discuss it.
Nah, it’s because I looked at your post history.
Which is filled with antifascism. On the ither hand you are claiming it is ok for one side to use camps. That’s weird.
call these camps or detention centers whatever you want. It is the wrong language. These places are not owned and ran by the US gov. They are owned and ran by mostly 2 companies. Geogroup, and core civic. I encourage everyone to learn this, and to relay it. Instead of getting rid of these compounds, we need to get rid of these companies who have turned our justice department into a for profit billion $$$ industry. These companies are publicly traded. Cops and teachers have their pensions invested in them. YOU could have investments in them and not even know it. Esp if you work for the government
I feel like “It’s not a concentration camp! it’s a for profit concentration camp!” isn’t the great rebuttal you think it is.
It is important to understand we are being attacked by capitalism. Our freedom is a publicly traded product. It is not just Trump dictating orders. Capitalists make money by taking away our liberties because that is how the system functions. And it is global. Anyone can invest in these companies and give them a stronger platform to remove our freedom.
And this is where lemmy needs some mastodon features for boost and repost
Nope
Yes, I already did, even before this particular news broke out…
I tried to individually tell every one I know IRL (which is not too many ppl sadly), basically told every single one of them to consider back-up career options… There are a couple of 1-year exchange students from Europe in my floor and I have not-subtly hinted at them to make contingency plans for PhD training back home. I’ve been following the news very carefully recently so I can share relevant items as soon as possible… The people need to know. I’ve even considered making know-your-rights printouts before they claimed they’re doing an ICE raid in Chicago, but realized how little resources I have for that… I absolutely will do something. Not sure what it is but I can’t see society go this way.
I just feel bad that as a non-US citizen there is only so little I can do… I don’t even know if I could join a protest without being considered for deportation at this rate. Am planning my leave as well so there’s that.
Funny incident, I blurted out to my family 2-months ago that Trump will probably build a concentration camp and was told to shut the F up… Murphy’s law I suppose
opposition? in THIS democratic party?
I’m gonna be mad about it and have a negative opinion about the US.
Better then trying to deflect it on the democrats through some crazy mental gymnastics.
Sorry, I’ve been getting trolled since about 10PM last night.
Nah, I know who’s responsible. I just can’t do anything from my country. That’s a US problem. And Cuba I guess.
I don’t know what gymnastics you’ve already seen, but I think they share some blame. I agree Trump proposing to send migrants to Guantanamo falls on Trump and Trump alone. However, Obama and Biden both campaigned on closing Guantanamo and claimed it was a priority for their legacy. Both had 2 terms each to do so. Both could have done so with executive orders without the need of congress. But as soon as they were elected you never heard about it again. Because Dems don’t want to close Guantanamo. They want to have an offshore prison where they can detain people without due process and torture them on foreign soil. Dems love the police state and Dems love military expansionism as much as Republicans. It would be a lot harder for Trump to send people to Guantanamo if the facility had already been shut down and turned over to the Cuban government. So its not the Democrat’s fault but it would not have been possible if they had followed through with their campaign promises. So fuck Trump and fuck Elon as well, but let’s not pretend the Dems actually have any intention of advancing a progressive or even a populist agenda because they don’t.
Also fuck the families of some of the 9/11 victims. They filed lawsuits to force everyone remaining in Guantanamo to get sentenced to death. This drug on and on. The site could not be closed while these last few remained.
Neither side is good on this issue. Trump opened camps and Biden continued to use them.
Both sides. Interesting, take, never heard it before.
Im “both sidesing” this because on the issue of these camps the Biden administration continued to use them. Biden deported more people than Trump and partly that was done using these camps. If you don’t want people pointing out the democrats are just as guilty then the democrats have to choose to not be just as guilty
You very deliberately created a sentence rhat doesn’t tell the truth while being not incorrect.
There is nothing Biden administration did in 4 years that is even comparable to what Trump is doing, but because they also weren’t perfect and did some bad shit, you can technically say both sides bullshit as if you achieved something.
Well, I am ungenerous, by bothsidsing you actually helping the worst side, but I don’t know if that is your goal or not.
I’m sure all we need is enough class consciousness and gumption so our direct action can stop the fascist regime from implementing imperialism.
Everyone who was supposed to prevent this and had the power to do so either tried and failed or didn’t bother.
Right now the objective is “Survive”, the bad guys have already won.
Yep.
Maybe we can start by looking at all the corporations who are most supporting him, and push hard for boycotts. It might be slightly indirect, but corporate partners do seem to have the most influence on policy decisions. Maybe we could make a document in the style of the PrivacyGuides project to help people choose alternatives to fascist supporters.
I’ve seen posts on Mastodon calling for the general strike as well.
General strike is the way to go. It’s like peaceful protesting but it’s devastating to the thing they care about most. Older gen are mostly trumpets so they also get hit when their generational wealth drys up and they get to be the ones worrying about making rent.
I’ve been saying it but most people are hard programed not to question anything and never stick their neck out. I would have hoped concentration camps would be a line in the sand but just look, all over the this post people are obsfucating who is responsible. They think it’s important to assign blame to democrats, an almost irrelevant factor, after they proved they can no longer win elections at a national level.
Anyway, I’ll be there with you when the strike hits. By that I mean the strike of the billy club as they throw me in a patty wagon for dissent.
General strike is the way to go.
While you’re right that this is what will change course for the nation, not many people get is exactly WHAT a “general strike” really is.
There is no possible way we can get enough people on board with toppling the current administration that they will shut down basically the whole world. A general strike shuts down everything and I mean EVERYTHING. The amount of economic damage an event like this could do is astronomical, factories will burn, shipping lanes will choke, services will go out.
Ideally it would only last a couple days, but a general strike is basically a military action by a nation’s citizens, an organized resistance that crushes a country’s entire function. When the wealthy suddenly stop making money, it can permanently ruin them because of the way capital is tied through everything. They really, really don’t want to see even less-general strikes, and will do everything imaginable to prevent it from happening.
It’s a Paddy wagon. Because it was full of Irishmen.
I made a community for it.
Instance agnostic link: !DefundFascism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Nice try FBI guy.
You caught me, I am a Fat Balding Italian. At least partially Italian.
I’m not Italian, but I am a Fat Balding Idiot so we’re all good.
I’m not Italian or Balding, but I’m super fat.
Fbi is watching
Anything new good on netflix?
Uh, I missed this one. Someone got the backstory?
… oh. It begins then. Thank you for the multiple links!
They are sending migrants to Guantanamo bay because Mexico didn’t want them.
A consideration to the ending of slavery in the United States was the advent of photography. Film was used to share the horror of the Nazi concentration camps in WW2 because they knew there would be people who deny history. Israel denied access and targeted journalists in Gaza for over a year for a reason.
Public perception sways from indifference to protests when they can’t look away from the destructive results. It’s the whole reason black sites like Guantanamo Bay exist in the first place and were used to hold extradited citizens without due process for years, they want to pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist and they haven’t sworn oaths to it and will do everything they can to hide their crimes.
@surph_ninja@lemm.ee Just pointed this out. We already see the horror every day. Aint nothing going to happen.
I dunno man…are you? I can’t afford to go to prison. I have three kids that rely on me for sustenance and a house. Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently. I’m emailing politicians, trying to make good points online, and protest. I think that’s all I can do right now. Now, if my family is threatened, or I can no longer provide for my family, then we’ll talk again.
I think we’re starting to see in real time why nobody stopped Hitler either.
The people in power that are supposed to stop this aren’t. AOC is trying to rally people, but not sure how effective it’s going to be yet.
Anything you do as an individual is likely to fail and only make things way, way worse. So you tell me man…what should I do that I’m not already doing?
Would your consider your family threatened when we have inflation at obscene, never-before-seen rates?
Honestly? Probably not.
Will it suck? Absolutely, but me and my wife make great money and just consolidated a bunch of our stuff to buy our forever home. We’re liquid probably $100k, and that’s not even touching retirement finances or other investments. I 100% want to help where I can with protesting and organizing stuff, but I won’t be in a state where I’m willing to be Luigi 2.0 anytime soon. Like. Even if we were to both lose our jobs, we’re comfortable for at least 2-3 years before we have to start worrying.
Congratulations on your success. I hope what’s coming doesn’t touch you too badly. I mean it.
Nothing. It ain’t on us to fix shit. Our side of things has been broken since before any of us were born.
And the US is about 28 times larger than Germany, making it even harder for people to travel to a focal point of power to resist.
Joining an armed resistance has a high chance of death. Turns out a lot of people like being alive. I can see why other countries saw a bit more resistance too, when your country voted for it there is probably an impression many support it
Yup. I’ve seen in my own family. Started in November with the anti Nazi talk. Then around Christmas the Biden whataboutisms started: Yeah but Biden is actually doing stuff Trump started so they are both bad. Now I am hearing the same points @alteon made. Anything to keep from doing the right thing and fight fascism bc I have an early meeting, the kids have soccer practice, well I don’t see any of it so its not as bad as the internet makes it sound, blah blah blah.
Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently.
Woof. I remember saying that back in 2017. Four years later…
Is there anything Americans could do to petition other countries to help us? ICC or the UN? Or in civil court, could we crowdfund lawyers to sue the government?
The US government does not recognize the ICC. The UN has no power, at most it can sent a stern letter. What could happen is the EU maybe complaining or even sanctioning the US but considering that Germany literally passed an illegal immigration law yesterday(the conservatives with support from the nazis), my hopes are not high.
Human rights is more of an optics(or an excuse) issue, rather than something that governments care about.
Would like to know as well.
America is not a part of the icc any more effectly putting the usa out of reach. Also they were never a signatory to the international declaration for the prevention and punishment for the crime of genocide
Over dramatize it as much as possible making it very easy to satirize.
sue the government?
About that. One frequently looks to the Executive branch to enforce laws, rulings, and other things of legal import. Exactly how does this work if that arm of the government is found guilty of a crime?
“We find ourselves not guilty of any wrongdoing oh by the way the president is immune to prosecution”
shit’s going as planned. what options do we have?
Make a negative post about the US and watch the same people complaining in this thread suddenly become super-“patriotic” and defend the way things are in the US at all cost. You need to redefine what it means to be patriotic IMO. As long as patriotism in the US is understood as reflexively defending what the American government has done at all times, there’s nothing anyone outside of the US can do to help.
Patriotism should be looking after the interests of your fellow citizens, and that should routinely mean being opposed to the government, not rallying around it as soon as it’s criticized by an “outsider”. It’s bizarre watching so many people from oppressed minorities being gung-ho flag wavers while the government is planning to put them in internment camps.
Wait wut?!?
Is there a source you can link to?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/16368518
There’s a bunch, but I put an AP news, Rueters and NPR link above
