I was watching this video of a live chicken trapped on a moving truck and thought it was strange that it’s not possible to say anything to them even when circumstances might warrant it. All we got is honking and waving. There could be a touchscreen interface with a map of nearby vehicles. It could be voice controllable or the passenger could do it for safety.
It’s not a bad idea, but there are plenty of countries where it would be abused to xbox live chat levels.
The radios would need to have a very, very short range to avoid this. You’d need to know that everyone who can hear you can also see you (and potentially follow you if they’d like a word face to face), which is the accountability aspect that’s missing from online interactions.
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One day I was driving on a highway at roughly 80km/h (no idea how much is it in miles per hour, we use metric around here), and there was a car almost glued to the back of the car I was driving, totally ignoring the “following/tracking distance” thing we’re used to learn during driving school (the faster the vehicles, the farther they should be from one another, so if the vehicle ahead needs to do a sudden break, the vehicle behind have the time to react and break as well with no collisions). The car I was driving has a quite sensitive break light: a gentle push is enough for the breaking light to light up without actuating the breaking system (not ABS, it’s an old car), so I had a quite unusual idea: Morse coding “DISTANCE” to the driver in the car behind through the breaking lights, using extremely gently pushes on the breaking pedal while I kept driving. I’m not sure if the driver could understand Morse, but at least I tried.
And that’s a problem for your scenario where “nearby cars” were to contact each other: even though they could listen to each other, could they actually understand each other?
Divide kmh by two and round toethe nearest 5/10 is close enough to mph for discussion purposes. It is off at times, but for discussion purposes it is close enough that your impression of how they drive is the same. (90 vs 100 kmh - not enough to matter in discussion - it matters in court so don’t try this in the real world)
Or we can stick to kph for discussion purposes, since that’s what most of the world uses
Sigh… Everyone is used to what they have used all their life and refuse to learn anything else…
Is there a reason why people on the metric system have a need to be learning imperials? (I know 1 mile = 1.6 km, but that’s another matter)
That sounds awful. But it does exist, its called a cb radio
Yeah my friend has a cb radio and he says when traffic is bad people are just yelling at each other. Although that’s anonymous, if the messages showed you were X person from C vehicle it would probably be a bit more civil
Here in South Korea every car has the phone number of the owner displayed through the windshield so you can always call them when they parked false or so.
Really? That seems like it could be an issue of privacy.
I mean I can only imagine that people might be harassed in some way or another.
It’s not used for harassment because strong social norms discourage it. You would lose face if you’d do it.
CB radio still exists.
fictional spaceships have advanced sensors,manuverability, and subspace communication. cars dont have that capability.
Also fictional spaceships tend to have a whole crew instead of 1-5 people.
AFAIK, freight trucks/lorries can contact each other, through radio. But imagine how much worse road rage would be if you could shit-talk other drivers over radio. Would be funny, though.
I am the night riderrrrrr!!!
You can contact other drivers. Just curl your fingers and thumb together and do the wanker gesture at them.
I absolutely would not want an open channel to everyone around me. The potential for abuse is too high.
Imagine the giant trucks road raging because you’re in the left lane and only going +20 the speed limit. Or the old creeps hitting on teenagers.
And then there’s the privacy concerns. In order to connect to your car-specifically- it has to know your car is there. Which means your car is constantly putting out a beacon. This would be similar to how cell phones work - and are now being used by merchants and advertisers like Walmart to track where you go in stores.
And then there’s the security concerns of people pushing malware.
And then there’s the question of distractions from having to respond to people reaching out or shutting them up or whatever.
What lane you’re in has nothing to do with the speed limit. If you’re the slower traffic, keep right. Always keep right unless you’re overtaking.
"What lane your in has nothing to do with speed limit… keep right… "
Left lane.
And your advice is actually somewhat incorrect, depending on the context your in. In more rural areas, sure. In more urban areas… there are dozens of reasons why you need to keep left- including taking a left exit.
Or, you know, like how at that speed your usually passing everyone else…
And just for the record, I don’t know where you are, but here… +20 is considered a felony. it’s incredibly stupid to drive that fast on a highway… never mind not on a highway.
people that go +20 and faster? They’re putting everyone’s lives at risk and statistically it’s only a matter of time before they kill someone. Hopefully something happens to teach them why it’s fucking stupid before it goes that far.
There is a highway near me where the limit is 55, but the average speed in the fast lanes is 70+.
I don’t get it. This makes everyone a criminal. I isn’t realize that 75+ would be a felony.
IIRC, the felony reckless driving was lowered from +30 to +20, during Covid after it became clear how dangerous people were driving. We saw a massive spike in roadway deaths because suddenly people felt like they could do whatever.
Congratulations. Now they’re breaking the law and you’re breaking the law. And now you’re both causing unsafe driving conditions for others. And you’re causing traffic.
Follow the algorithm to make things safer, consistent, and predictable. It’s not your job to police others’ speed.
Wow.
I don’t care what “the algorithm “ says, and you’re a hypocritical asshole for telling me not to tell others how to drive while telling me how to drive.
Now to be completely clear: I will always drive in a manner I deem to be safe. Not you. Not the asshole tailgating me because he can’t be bothered to to leave 10 minutes earlier.
And I can assure you: driving 50mph in a residential area is not “safe”. And neither is 90 in a 70 during rush hour. These are both staggeringly dangerous and imo, people who do so are on the level of those who drive drunk.
I’m not sure what I said to elicit such hate, and I don’t know what state or country you’re in. In California this is the law, and it’s at least as important as the speed limit. But unfortunately, it is never enforced. Slower traffic keep right
Being called out for a hypocrisy is not hate.
You were literally telling me not to tell be how to drive (which, while I came close, I didn’t actually do,) while literally telling me how to drive.
I understand many states have some form of “slower traffic laws”… and explained why that’s not relevant.
There are many reasons why someone needs to be in the left lane- taking a left-exit, or the left hand fork in a split, or, you know, actually passing people themselves…. Or seeing an eratic driver behind them making it dangerous to get over.
I have to assume that CA law also says something about running people off the road because they’re not going fast enough for you. Generally, I assume everywhere does- for obvious reasons.
Even if you’re right, that doesn’t give you them right to drive recklessly and tailgate people. Which brings me back to the original point I was making: the kind of people who are angry at having to slow down… are unlikely to be polite and civil- they’re already demonstrating harassing behaviors.
I never said you shouldn’t tell people how to drive. I implied you shouldn’t physically force others to drive how you want. Note I also never said it’s ok to speed. Anyway, have a good night. I’ll try to enjoy being stuck in traffic caused by you.
Terrible advice. If you’re not actively overtaking you’re supposed to always be in the left lane.I think you two live in different counties and actually agree.
Oh yeah.
My bad. I always forget about countries that drive on what, to me, is the wrong side of the road.
Thanks. :)
I will return to right lane as soon as I finish overtaking and it is safe for me to do so.
But keep the fucking safe distance while I do so. If you slow down a few meters behind me, instead of few centimeters, it won’t delay you much.
Imagine the giant trucks road raging because you’re in the left lane and only going +20 the speed limit. Or the old creeps hitting on teenagers.
What if we instead imagine the truck drivers politely asking you to move over? What if the ability to communicate freely with other drivers made the experience closer to walking in a crowd. I’m imagining something that allows all vehicles within a certain radius to hear one another so you can communicate with courtesy. I think a lot of road rage stems from our frustrations with our inability to communicate (and be held accountable) by the people around us.
What if we instead imagine the truck drivers politely asking you to move over? What if the ability to communicate freely with other drivers made the experience closer to walking in a crowd. I’m imagining something that allows all vehicles within a certain radius to hear one another so you can communicate with courtesy. I think a lot of road rage stems from our frustrations with our inability to communicate (and be held accountable) by the people around us.
Yeah. No. I don’t know where you are, but when someone is angry at the inconvenience of having to slow down to merely reckless speeds… they’re not going to be capable of civil discourse. If they were capable of civility… they wouldn’t have been angry in the first place.
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What if the ability to communicate freely with other drivers made the experience closer to walking in a crowd.
In a dense crowd, the information being exchanged amongst the crowd is enormous. It is a constant negotiation, of different parties trying to get somewhere but also trying (hopefully) to respect other people’s space. And the stakes are lower, because bumping into someone is fine at 1 kph but totally unacceptable at 50 kph. And humans are dynamically adjustable, like raising ones arms so that a stroller can pass more easily. Cars can’t really do that (except Transformers: Robots In Disguise).
In a crowded bazaar, the bandwidth from reading people’s facial cues, from seeing whether they’re distracted by goods on display or from their Instagram posts, plus what people actually say – and what they don’t say – and how quickly or slowly they walk. All of that is context that is necessary to participate in the activity of passing through the crowd, and I think that cost-optimized technology to exchange the same amount of info while also needing to react 50x faster and deterministically, with safety standards suitable for 2-tonne machines that already kill and maim thousands per year, that’s not really feasible.
They do. Some people poat their radio frequency their car.
You could publish you phone number right on your car. See how it goes.
Yeah no people are trash on average, I don’t want to get constantly pinged by trashy people while driving, I don’t even like proximity chat in games, imagine having that in real life, there’s a high chance of accidents happening due to distraction. Now if someone wants to add a little display on their car that can display some basic text messages, maybe that could be of some use
Hate to break it to you, but proximity chat is enabled in real life all the time.
People don’t have the balls to come up to you in real life and say the stuff they say from a place of saftey and anonymity.
Just look at the stuff people say on Lemmy, to someone they will never even meet, ever.
Why do we even leave comments here. Just total strangers. And yet people care very much about what others say.
Just look at the stuff people say on Lemmy, to someone they will never even meet, ever.
That’s ridiculous! I will find you and flay your children alive! :D
It’s called a CB radio. Enjoy.
If I can’t say “on screen” first then I don’t want it
Lady honked at me the other day for not turning left at a light (she obviously didn’t see the motorcyclists) and began making rude gestures.
Well anyway it’s probably better that we can’t talk to each other.
I had a similar thing happen this week. Left turn lane waiting for pedestrian and their dog to cross the road. Person behind me was losing their minds at me. I pointed at the pedestrian and shrugged.
I once had someone flip me off because I put my turn signal on. We were in the right lane, I was turning right, and the left lane was completely empty.
Guess we’re supposed to mow them down, idk.
Many people would use such a method to troll and be disruptive, possibly causing collisions
Dude, people can’t handle the complexity of simply driving the vehicle as it is. Bad things happen when adding handling dynamic communications into the mix with people who aren’t trained to the level of combat pilots. That’s why we don’t let people juggle a cell phone while driving.
