‘For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can’t come soon enough,’ the actor shared on X
I’m wondering what kind of international incident this will cause. Who else is in there, it can’t be just Americans?
Rich people are not an America-only issue.
I mean, it’s the one time he’s guaranteed to not be named in a sexual assault case, so why not?
Game recognizes game.
my personal objection.
releasing the Epstein’s files will include people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
however, it would be very clear that those people are innocent, and they’re will be people in the files that were clearly diddling children.
Either the files should be released in full and the only consequence for people who casually met Epstein and never interacted with him will be some conspiracy nuts harassing them. or at worse censor the list for those names.
Also, just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.
“just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.”
Exactly, this focus on a “list” drives me crazy. If detectives investigating a murder don’t find a piece of paper with the victim’s name on it in the killer’s possession, they don’t throw their hands up and say, damn he got away with it.
Epstein’s entire business model revolved around having receipts on his clients, that’s how he stayed out of prison for decades, and it’s why they are covering it up now. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s a supressed criminal investigation.
the conspiracy is about who (we know who) and why (we know why) the criminal investigation is being suppressed.
“My computer recently crashed and I’ve lost all my friends’ email addresses.”
I think it’s more like Epstein specialized in girls
Anything to ratchet up the pressure on that orange toddler is welcomed.
He saw Stephen King get called a nonce for claiming the list didn’t exist and saw an opportunity.
Oh, King’s for sure on that list if he’s saying that.
Oh no, I thought King was one of the good ones. Is there still some hope? What was the context?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/42235147
If it is supposed to be a joke, it didn’t stick the landing
probably becauses hes into male minors. and not female like most of the pedophiles/ephebophiles out there.
Not googling that word
It’s just a synonym for libertarian.
That’s so funny
Let Gianmarco Soresi explain it!
Dammit, we all think alike nowadays… XD
It’s a distinction some make, where pedophiles go for the kid kids, like prepubescent, where ephebophiles want the ones who have at least started puberty but are still kids.
Hold my beer, it’s even more complicated
- Infantophiles go for 0-5 (up until developed consciousness)
- Pedophiles ~6-beginning of puberty
- Hebephiles - going through puberty
- Ephebophiles - after puberty but before adulthood
- Teleiophiles - 18-late 30s
- Mesophiles - 40s-60s
- Gerontophiles - 70+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia
Don’t ask me why I know, I just like getting to the grit of things.
I’m going to accuse some people of being Teleiophiles and Mesophiles.
Careful with the mesophile label, some microbiologists may start watching you with interest.
Lol
Okay, but then why did you laminate the legal statute so you could carry it in your wallet?
some
Never seen such a loaded some.
Actually it’s sort of scientific consensus. Not that it matters much for casual conversation (do not fuck minors, what’s so hard about that), but the distinction is real.
obligatory nerdy note that all those -philias refer to attraction, and not action; pedophile might not abuse children but still be pedophile; child abuser is not necessarily pedophile
Check the list for Rep. Frank Underwood.
Crazy how Spacey’s career abruptly ended, even though he was acquitted and/or found not guilty. Yet Trump, who has lost his civil sexual assault cases, is the fucking president of the United States and no one will do anything about it.
Worth noting Spacey is currently on Epstein flight logs that have been released
Epstein’s private plane took President Bill Clinton, actor Kevin Spacey, and comedian Chris Tucker to Africa
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-traveled-with-bill-clinton-kevin-spacey-2019-7
There is a list here:
https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann/history.htm#epstein_list
That’s really fucking funny, if true. (black humor, dead baby funny)
You got a sauce on this?
Spacey would still be making movies now if he’d just preyed on vulnerable women instead.
Dustin Hoffman, Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Seacrest all have multiple SA allegations that they were able to play down and keep working, but those were all from women.
Most homophobia stems from the fear of male rape, so the usual meninist/MRA crowd who scrambled to defend “innocent until proven guilty” for Russell Brand (3 upcoming producer credits) are nowhere to be seen when it’s Spacey.
(for clarity, this is not a defense of Spacey, it’s an attack on hypocrisy)
The only way I can lose is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.
– Edwin Edwards
Jesus Christ is that a real quote? It’s accurate AF. Like, uncomfortably accurate.
Yup.
How can you mention these people and forget Jared Leto? He’s an actual cult leader.
I think if your whole brand is being a creepy weirdo, that sort of makes you immune to the consequences of being identified as one.
I’m always pointing this out
Shane Gillis jokes about the only thing worse than Vikings are, gay Vikings.
Hahahahahahahaha gay Vikings he said!
That dude can suck the shit directly from my asshole.
😎
You forgot about being a 34x convicted but not sentenced criminal.
He was sentenced, it’s just that his sentence was … nothing. Which of course is a totally appropriate penalty for a fucking felony.
yes, it is revealing how flexible the conservative soul is when it comes to corruption and perversion, while simultaneously being inflexible about things like compassion, charity and kindness.
Welcome to paid politics
probably the severity, and the amount of people he targeted, plus anthony rapps “confession” about him being targeted by spacey. Also movies/shows dont want to be associated with a known pedophile too, so they wouldnt cast him anything anyways.
Why though? Why is it assumed that people will boycott a show/movie if it has a known paedophile in it, while brands/political parties with a mass-sex-offender at the helm are just peachy?
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The only true thing Trump has ever uttered was that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose support.
That is so not true. He also said “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
Fair enough! Two true things.
You know what though? I bet he was lying. I bet he doesn’t just start kissing them. I bet he does wait. That’s totally what TACO would do.
He didn’t do it? Oh good, I liked him in K-PAX
Not guilty isn’t the same thing as “didnt do it”
From Wikipedia:
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse,[10] including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son;[11][12] filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos;[13] Richard Dreyfuss’ son Harry;[14] and eight people who worked on House of Cards.[15] The Guardian was contacted by “a number of people” who alleged that Spacey “groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men” as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
A judge in Los Angeles this summer approved an arbitrator’s decision to order Spacey to pay $30.9 million to the makers of “House of Cards” for violating his contract by sexually harassing crew members.
Yeah he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser. As far as we know.
he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser.
Doubtful tbh
Soup be thickening.
We don’t need your help here…
Right? Like we get it, you’re not in the files, and you want to remind everyone you were acquitted and found not civilly liable of your own sexual misconduct. But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
Plus he’s probably just not in the files because Epstein had young girls.
But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
Basically the courts don’t matter and all that matters is public opinion? And this is where you launch into a “the courts are corrupt” and “the rich never get punished” or some similar BS?
The courts do matter, for legal decisions. They don’t have the final say beyond that. Sure, you can use them as a data point, but the requirement for finding someone guilty for a criminal charge is “beyond a reasonable doubt” (aka, there’s only a slim chance it isn’t true).
Socially, that isn’t required. Usually we only care if it’s more likely than not. Sometimes, depending on the severity of the accusation, a lot of people have an even lower barrier for taking it into account to effect their opinion of the person. For example, if there’s some evidence that someone is a murderer, but not “beyond a reasonable doubt,” I’m probably not going to hang out with them, especially alone.
I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished? Trump and those 34 convictions that resulted in nothing already forgotten? Diddy getting a not guilty for the severe charges also forgotten?
I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished?
Ekhm… Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are suddenly no longer considered rich?
So far Cosby’s was overturned and he’s not in jail, and Weinstein’s was overturned and he is awaiting a retrial (granted, he is doing so in prison).
Lol all I could think was “these are terrible examples”
Legal doesn’t always mean morally right. He’s a free man, but that doesn’t mean he still needs to take up one of the rare vip spots, I’m sure there are unheard voices and talented actors who deserve it more.
When it comes to matters of judgement, I use my own. The courts don’t have to be corrupt for them to fail sexual assault victims, but yes there is plenty of corruption, too.
Are you suggesting economics don’t affect putcomes in the courts? Are you suggesting that there is no corruption within the judicial system? Are you saying that sexual predators always go to jail for their crimes?
What matters is what’s true, and the courts ARE getting more compromised every day. The rich get punished less, that’s the way it’s always worked.
I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.
Mate, are you saying that Spacey has more pull, or access to better lawyers, than Harvey Weinstein…?
Lawyers? Maybe not. Blackmail on dangerous people? Maybe.
Remember that weirdly threatening video he put out on Christmas?
Remember when three of his accusers died and the rest dropped their charges?
I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.
I wasn’t wrong though. You just agreed with that exact position. 🤣
Point is there’s a spectrum of corruption and unfairness, and it’s getting worse. Guess you think the courts are perfectly fair and there’s no benefit to being rich? And I never said public opinion matters lol but fuck voting I guess, hooray for gerrymandering?
I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.
It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…
Different circumstances and different crimes, and especially different victims.
Also, Weinstein and Cosby were openly assaulting women for decades. They victimized hundreds of women, and Cosby isn’t even in jail anymore.
Different jurors.
Is defending spacey really the creep hill to die on?
I just hate hypocrisy.
Me too but I ain’t gonna jump in to defend diddy cause he got off on the trafficking charges.
Bully for you.
Kevin Spacey aside, you seem to be saying you don’t support the concept of “innocent until proven guilty.”
You seem to be saying you don’t understand the concept or “innocent until proven guilty.” That applies to legal repercussions. It doesn’t mean that a man with many accusations of sexual assault deserves the benefit of the doubt. I find the numerous accusations against him credible, and I found his denials uncredible. Especially when you consider several of his accusers have died under questionable circumstances.
I find any accusations aggainst any celebrity have zero value unless proven in court beyond all reasonable doubt.
People who live off of lawsuits do exist.Except the accusation came from another celebrity, and started a very long time before the lawsuit. Going public hurt the accusers career, and after Rapp lost his court case, 14 other victims came forward. They all described, independently, the same pattern of behavior.
Not when your remaining accusers dropped their charges against you after a few of them died in mysterious accidents after you put out a weirdly threatening video on Christmas.
and one that “moved past your assault on him”- aka RAPP
Just say “no.”
Principles that only apply when it’s easy aren’t principles.
You’re applying a moral code to me that I haven’t agreed to. You don’t know what my principles are.
Is highly suspicious.
If my only choice in this matter is to either see his movies or not, I will not. On matter of Hollywood, it’s best to assume that they’re all guilty of something if their success outweighs their talent. Why does Jared Leto keep getting work despite being terrible to work with? Could it be his private sex cult island?
I’m literally asking you what moral code you adhere to. Is “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” something you agree with, or not?
This isn’t the court of law and my judgement does not have the same weight as a juror.
Also, what is and is not legal is not the same as what is and is not moral.
They already answered you. They don’t feel that all of Kevin Spacey’s accusers actually got their “day in court” because there’s evidence to show that they were coerced into dropping their cases, and for some of them they died. So no, “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” doesn’t apply when we didn’t get an actual conclusion to most of the cases. There’s a vast difference between being found “not guilty” and “having charges dismissed”.
But apparently nuance is too much for you and you want simple hard fast rules that apply to everything. In which case, maybe read the thousands of years of moral philosophy dealing with that exact topic and see if you can reduce all of it to a single platitude. No one’s done it before, but apparently your smartass is up for the challenge since you’re the resident authority around here.
Innocent until proven guilty is not a moral code, it’s a legal one. Courts do not dictate reality or morality, they are obviously imperfect social constructs and to pretend otherwise is foolish.
Is Redditor a slur here 😝😝😝
Also, it wasn’t only about the allegations with him. The dude made some bad PR choices as a result of the allegations that made him look like a shitty person whether or not he was guilty.
Right, like if I were on a jury, I don’t know how I would vote given the evidence against him. But his reputation as a sleaze preceded the accusations. I wouldn’t leave my kids alone with the guy.
I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.
It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…
of all the people you’d think would be on the list
He proudly proclaims that he didnt need any help to prey upon his victims
because all his victims died, dropped charges, or dint bother accusing him anymore.
Because they were all male. Female SA victims report at a low percentage. Males are even lower because of a perceived lack of “manliness” from being a victim.
Perverts can sniff out other perverts I guess is the point of this story?
By this logic, we all are perverts since we all know who is on that list.
I have no problem with perverts who seek consent.
Don’t know about you but I am a pervert and a goober but ya know what I have standards. Consent being one of them, the other is that I will never stick my dick into a Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist.
