It’s just rhythms and pitches really, in a sequence. But we don’t love patterns, a scale sounds boring. It’s the breaking of the patterns that sound good in music, but only in specific ways. Other ways sound discordant. What the duck is going on?
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Because at it’s core, music is a beautiful lack of auditory dissonance. See this minutephysics episode for an in depth explanation why. It’s fundamental. (to music itself, not to any particular style of music) https://youtu.be/tCsl6ZcY9ag
“Is it not strange that sheep’s guts should hail souls from mens’ bodies?” – Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
(Guitar/lute strings used to be made from sheep gut, for anyone confused)
PhD in neuroscience here. I didn’t specifically study musicology, but i did study the neuroscience of music.
The theory that holds the most water, in my opinion, is that music activates all the same parts of the brain as motor processing. It makes us want to move, and to make predictions about what’s coming next. People like makimg predictions. It’s also a pro-social activity that encourages bonding and communication. These are typically positive experiences.
Edit: you mentioned we like the breaking of patterns in music. Very true, we love syncopation. But we don’t tap our foot to the rhythm, we groove to the beat.
But we don’t love patterns
I would disagree with that somewhat - I think we do love patterns, but the more complex and intricate the better.
Which is why music appeals so much - it’s chock full of patterns overlaying each other, echoing and counterpointing each other, contrasting each other in ways that are both conflicting and harmonious. Good music is like seeing the rhythms of the world all around you.
Yes! When a chorus repeats and becomes familiar, or when a sequence resolves and the pattern is “recognized”. Satisfying to the core.
Yes I am a human, I love human things like… um… music…
finishes zipping up skinsuit
Why do we like reading? It’s just arbitrary characters, really, in a sequence.
This discounts so many quantitative and absolute qualities of music.
I’m not a scientist, but I think it is because humans like patterns, which is what music is. What makes random banging and loud noises annoying and how is that different from music? I think the answer is that music has patterns. What makes people like or hate different types of music is that they like one pattern over another.
I’m also interested in why there is such varying tastes in music. Why do I love metal but hate pop? shrugs
Probably based on where you were born and raised:
NOOOOOOOOOOO, GODDD NOOOOOOOOOOO
And why do I love both metal and bluegrass, and find them similar?
Hey, fuck that song! Listen to Harvester of Constant Sorrow for an on-the-nose Thrash Grass mashup!
Then unfuck that song and listen to it again, and then this one again. And then listen to Leo, and then UMC, and finally fuck your own ears with the dulcet duality of Bardcore.
The only thing I love more than an artist creating their own song is another artist lovingly reinterpreting it.
While I enjoy a lot of metal and not any bluegrass that I’ve heard, I do sorta get that one. They do share quite a bit in terms of their rhythmic feel, both (depending on your metal subgenre) doing a lot of rapid-fire staccato notes to keep up a really fast pace, and also share some of their roots in Black American music. The timbres of the instruments used the choices of notes are very different of course, but I don’t think that you’re inventing a non-existent similarity
Play bluegrass an octave down and distorted, hit the drums more, and you’re basically at metal
Oh my friend!
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=iron+horse+bluegrass+metallica
I just put Metallica to give you a taste, MUCH more!
Same! I really hope I get to be the first one to show you this 🤘
Love it! 🤘🤘
And here I am, I don’t really like pop and I don’t really like metal but put them together and I’m in heaven.
Knew what it was before even clicking
GIMME CHOCOLATE
How did I know it was going to be Babymetal? 😛
My pet theory is that our brain rewards us for interpreting clues correctly, because this is crucial for survival. And patterns make it easy to do this interpretation correctly, therefore triggering the reward system frequently.
But if it is too easy to interpret a pattern correctly, the reward will be lessened, because the challenge you succeeded in was lesser. And it was also crucial to survival to fade out patterns which don’t change, so that e.g. the wind brushing through leaves doesn’t drown out the noises from a predator approaching.
That’s why patterns which don’t change every so often stop triggering the reward system and therefore bore us.
I don’t. And I don’t understand why I’m the only one who just in general would rather hear silence then music.
I too like silence, then music, when the album I’m listening to intended to have a break between songs.
However, if the songs’ tracks are meant to fade from one to the next without a break, it’s annoying and distracting if I can hear a silence between them, however small – even just a click – then music.
I’ve met 2 people like that, you’re not alone! I love music but y’all are valid
It’s the breaking of the patterns that sound good in music, but only in specific ways. Other ways sound discordant.
I like a lot of different music and I also like harsh noise, when it’s adventurous like Merzbow. It sounds discordant, but it sounds great and I enjoy listening to it. Maybe you should go more fundamental, “why do we humans like information entropy” or something like that.
The answer is we don’t know unfortunately. I dont think scientists have found a definitive answer on this one. The theory tho is that it had some evolutionary benefit in the past, but we dont know why that would be either.
Cause it makes me feel funny and I like it duh
I think all experience of art, enjoyable for us or not, is something the brain adheres to because it is unlike nature. Nature tries to all blend together in a very loose way. We categorize many things like animals, land, the stars… but it all is really just one thing. Art is the ability to purposefully change that continuity with intent. To see something sitting there, doing nothing, and you feel the desire to arrange it in some way.
Music is no different. We realized sound was one of our senses and most of nature’s songs are chaotic, outside the rare particularly talented bird.
We’ve found ways to harness sound into whatever we found is most pleasing. And it seems what it pleasing is different from one person to the next, but also shares ground through the instruments we use.
I imagine when we first started rhythmically hitting sticks on rocks, it wasn’t long before we had an arrangement of our favorite sticks and rocks to hit together. And we just kept getting more creative from there.
Okay, but why do we love art of nature then? If you go further, some people love hyper-realistic art of nature, while others prefer surrealistic or abstractionist/minimalist stylized art of nature. If we talk about scale between absolute chaos and absolute order, art covers it all.
I think when we capture nature in a hyper-realistic way, the takeaway is control. We get to choose exactly what is included and what is not. It’s also about admiring the process that goes into it. We’re able to comprehend the work that went into making that possible. It also means that you get to stop time in the piece. You’re seeing that very specific part of reality that artist wanted you to see.
I agree those are some of possible motivations, but I also think there are countless other motivations for it in the wild. The “We get to choose exactly what is included and what is not” thing I personally think is more a “minimalism” mindset than realism, but that’s just my perspective. A lot of people who do realism, just go there and draw exactly what they see, or they have people pose for them. They ofc choose the scene and pose, but they don’t deliberately strip detail for artistic value like minimalists do, which means minimalists push way heavier into this “control what’s included and what not” territory.
Please provide a synopsis of what the link presents. When you throw up a youtube link, we don’t know what we’re getting until we get it.
