Oh geez, frontier claims she brought an open container onboard and that’s why she was removed, not because of being deaf.
Wonder who’s side of the story is true, witnesses’ will come forward and this lady may get a huge lawsuit, or nothing. Only time will tell.
Sounds like a plot from a cheap comedy.
Like most of our lives right now anyway.
Wow. Terrible experience but she just won the lottery, that lawsuit will allow her to retire comfortably.
I train guide dog puppies. From the moment they start training they are legally guide dogs. When they are with me, I’m considered legally blind. In this country, denying entrance into a public/commercial space carries a minimum 6.000€ fine. Judges can go up 5 figures.
5 figures is not “set for life” money like everyone seems to be suggesting
“Allow her to retire comfortably”
The debatable part is if they meant immediately retire. Which 5 figures will not let you do. But will it allow her to retire eventually comfortably?
10 year US bond is 4.2%
Let’s say she is 30.
Retirement age is 67. So 37 years until retirement.
6,000€ ×5 is ~$35,000
$35,000 at 4.2% interest for 37 years is $160,388.66 (This isn’t taking into consideration reinvesting the 4.2% interest after 10 years, but also ignoring things like taxes)
But getting $160k when you retire would allow a lot of people to retire comfortably.
They also kicked off the blind lady for refusing to see reason.
The security officer must have been one-eyed.
Additionally, they removed a passenger for having poor taste. Getting his tongue cut out at a young age was a bit hard for him to explain.
To be fair, she was the pilot.
She didn’t look great.
Did you hear about the dog with the amputated nose?
How does he smell?
Terrible!
*Argh*!
Got to be good-lookin’ 'cause he’s so hard to see
There we go, thats the winning pun.
Other folks are trying, but mine is the best. I’ll be taking that victory lap now. Afterward, drinks are on me!
The footage, posted by TikTok user legallyswiftie13, captures a tense exchange between airline staff and passengers on the plane as the woman explains she is deaf and had already noted the accommodation on her ticket.
Frontier Airlines says passengers who are deaf or hard of hearing can request assistance either during booking or through the airline’s “Manage Trips” tool.
According to the airline’s assistance page, crew members can work with travelers to, “establish a way to share important flight information,” once they are on board.
The passenger, who is visibly emotional in the video, repeatedly says she is willing to comply, but feels humiliated by the situation.
“I didn’t do anything wrong,” she says in the clip while gathering her belongings.
The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Air Traveler Disability Bill of Rights states that airline staff who interact with passengers must be trained to recognize and accommodate the needs of people with disabilities.
Lawsuit incoming. Or expect MAGA to overturn the ADA.
Lawsuit incoming. Or expect MAGA to overturn the ADA.
That’s literally on their to-do list, aka Project 2025.
Accommodating people with disabilities is “woke”.
Accommodating people for no material gain is “woke”.
Isn’t having a member of society being able to participate in that society a material gain? They can’t work and become a tax paying citizen if they can’t take part in the system.
Being empathetic, reasonable and human is against MAGAts and “woke”.
DEI, or whatever stupid new buzzword they’re told to use.
I think it is just an easy excuse and buzzword for “you slow down our max profit efficiency by not being simple” like there is an automated process that all of life needs to fit into. So you punish them out of existence by them either not participating or worse.
So we will pass laws to make it so we don’t accommodate to squeeze out a little more profit. What a dumb addiction.
True. Making a scene and delaying a flight is a solid strategy for maximizing efficiency and profit.
Reality rarely goes the way those that think they can control others think it will when they try. But not never.
Narcoleptics in shambles!
expect MAGA to overturn the ADA.
This feels likely.
I don’t know how but everyone seems to agree that if anything requires effort or some level of complex thought away from routine that it should be banned.
Like how did we come to expect life to be so easy?
And the people with power will push it like it is right.Like how did we come to expect life to be so easy?
By it being so easy for so long. How many people do you know that grow any of their own food? How many people do you know that literally never work out and also don’t have a physically demanding job? We are victims of our own success. And we have had it so long that we expected it to unsustainably continue ad infinitum.
Also the whole being nice requires a step above basic instincts thing, and conservatives are lazy both physically and intellectually.
See, its funny cause this is probably why I don’t fit into the modern
westernworld.Cause I did not grow up easy. I did/do grow my own food, paid my own way through college with 3 jobs and 2 days of sleep a week and when I had to deal with the fact that I was still broke and unemployable after, I sold myself into indentured servitude and had little control over my life for 6 years before I came back to the US.
I truly can not relate to the life of an average american even if I can empathize that the world sucks. I’m 30 and I joke that I’m 300 at heart.
Do you mean 2 days of sleep per week literally?
Yeah. Wednesday and Saturday.
I worked as a telemarketer from midnight to 8am as one of the jobs and the days I had off were sleep in the middle of the week and so I could have Friday nights to hang with friends.
Definitely do not recommend it, I cried a lot at that time and the lack of sleep was not good and I think it left me with permanent insomnia.
Damn that’s nuts. I worked 96 hours a week (5 8 hour shifts at one job and 7 8 hour shifts at another) for a while when I was younger and I was only sleeping 2-3 hours a day on the five overlap days. That wasn’t sustainable at all and burned me out in six months or so. Clearly you were doing even more, I’m shocked you lived. I hope things are better for you now.
I could only last qbout 8 months doing it all. I kinda didnt survive it. Really changed who I was yet again in my life. But yeah I just got on a boat and sailed away from it all. Worked somewhere that gave me food housing and a routine till I could get better and I would say I am and things are. Thank you. Fuck lack of sleep.
I was a teenager when internet chat rooms were first invented.
I have insomnia now, yeah. Oops…
I am on the fence as to whether it was better to get paid to fuck up my sleep schedule or to have done it for the thrill of the AOL.
I mean, did you ever have a heart attack, or severe accident?
Anxiety attacks and shortness of breath but nope, no heart attacks. Also horrible depression kicked in at some point.
Did get in lots of physical accidents which I partially attribute to the tiredness. After 8 months of that I quit as a christmas present to myself after almost drowning in a bathtub.
She can speak?
She’s deaf not mute.
Don’t downvote this person, not everyone knows. The passenger might not have been deaf their entire life.
Even people who have been deaf since birth can learn to speak by reading lips.
In the footage, a gate agent appears to advocate for the passenger while the flight crew insists she must leave aircraft.
Pretty sure I’d get up and walk off the plane. Not sure I wanna be on that flight with that flight crew.
Not sure what these douche bags were thinking. Great advertisement to NOT fly Frontier though.
I’m a pilot (not commercial) and if you’re still flying Frontier then that is kind of on you.
If you go to a party, how will you know which person is a pilot?
If they don’t flat out tell you, it’s usually the drunkest one there
I dont know, how?
“They’ll tell you”
I dunno if you’re being facetious, but it’s their entire personalities and all they talk about… In my experience, in general. No offense to pilots who don’t do this. How people describe marathon runners and vegans.
I use Arch, by the way.
(I don’t, I used Debian. It just fit.)
I was trying to set you up for the punch line, but this works too, lol.
I don’t fly often… like maybe once every few years. And when I do my boss usually books the flight since It’s work related and it’s usually American or Southwest.
Is Frontier that bad?
F - tier Only time I flew with them I had a layover. 1st flight was late. My wife was visibly, 7 months pregnant. Hurried to the connection’s gate. They closed it as we approached. People waiting in line to board on the other side of the gate, about 20ft away. Wouldn’t let us board.
No flight till 24hrs later. Said they’d cover the hotel but never got us vouchers. Had to get the credit card company to dispute the charge. Next day they charged us for carry on that was free on the first flight. Trip was for my grandma’s funeral. Made the funeral but lost an entire day with extended family.
IDK if I’ve ever hated a company or it’s staff more than that. So many layers of incompetence from different staff. Clearly a systemic problem.
Yes. The last time i flew Frontier they had such a long delay it would have been faster to walk. No that is not an exaggeration.
I have to ask what the flight was
Slc to smf. Detour in Denver, delayed 12 hours, got into a different flight to oak instead of smf, delayed another 6 hours.
I am ungenerous with my accounting, but I can make it on foot from oak to smf in 18 hours and that’s what I’m counting (it’s just under 100 miles, I am assuming I will die the next day like all ultra marathon folk)
It is a low cost airline like Spirit.
So yes.
Frontier is the Spirit of budget airlines lol
Pretty sure I’d get up and walk off the plane. Not sure I wanna be on that flight with that flight crew.
IANAL but it might be better for the future lawsuit to be forced off.
No I meant just as a sympathetic passenger.
You’re likely totally right about the deaf person.
But you still paid money for that flight and you don’t get to your destination?
I’m sure one could stir up enough of a shit storm in this situation to get a different flight
Oh durr, yep, agree…not the flying experience I’d want.
Bitch!
“I love you.”
I know airlines must accommodate people with disabilities, but for this flight attendant they should probably make an exception.
Why? I’m following the Reddit convention of replying before I watch the video, but even if you don’t have someone who can speak sign language,
- a lot can be communicated by gestures and touch
- surely the flight attendant has or can get an effing smartphone to type or translate
Edit:
- she noted on the ticket she was deaf; flight attendants shouldn’t be surprised
Even if that story is bs and the airline’s story about an open container is true
- they’re not claiming she was visibly drunk
- we’ve all done that - sucked down our drink so we don’t waste it, even if it’s just water, while complying with open container restrictions
- reads like an excuse, especially with the detail about the gate agent
They’re calling the flight attendant the one with the disability lol
Whoosh
Edit: for those missing the point, this was directed at myself
Edit2: and one more try after another coffee, saying more of the words out loud since apparently I have no social skills this morning ……
/me, ducking in panic, as a thunderous whooshing noise fills the sky, as @Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca kindly identifies the point sailing by just out of my reach
/me, red-faced with embarrassment, as @wesdym@mastodon.social kindly points out my word conveys unintended meaning to those of you not listening to my inner monologue
In your defense, I didn’t get the joke either, until reading the replies to your comment.
You could have at least read the comment you were replying to
Validism is real
Unfortunately I’m not even remotely surprised. Deaf and hard of hearing people are often targets of people who can’t handle someone not doing what they say. Once those people feel their words aren’t being shown proper deference some of them can’t/won’t stop their emotional response to regain dominance. Inability to comply (especially in someone who appears capable) becomes refusal in their eyes, and they’ll just stretch it back to something we should have done to prevent them from feeling insubordinated. Cops are notorious for it.
I’d never even thought that one might need to tell an airline that you’re Deaf. It’s a difficult experience as someone hard of hearing, but it’s difficult in the way dealing with the DMV is. Ideally you have a hearing person with you, and if not you bring a pen and paper to communicate when you need a shoulder tapped, and just run by context cues and writing for the rest.
Also I hope this lady consented to being recorded and posted. I’d be so humiliated seeing discrimination against me go viral
Big lawsuit in Seattle some years back as a police officer shot a deaf man in the back for noncompliance.
Let me guess, judge ruled in favor of the cop?
Actually not in this case, though I don’t recall the details. It was one of several incidents that resulted in the SPD being put under control of a federal court for 10 - 12 years.
I hope this lady consented to being recorded and posted
the video caption is first-person
Ok good to know
I hope this lady consented to being recorded and posted
the video caption is first-person
I’m not sure how that answers the important question.
first person implies she uploaded the video herself
I think deaf people should be allowed a “hearing ear dog” that can listen for traffic etc for you. And you can bring it anywhere.
She had her hearing ear dog with her but just ignored its signal barks! That’s why the dog wasn’t kicked off the plane because those involved saw it was trying to do its job and didn’t deserve to miss its flight.
There are no cars on airplanes don’t be silly
Bet you feel pretty dumb.
Long before you showed up, buddy!
gg.
How do we know that car isn’t being removed by the TSA?
I like the cut of your jib, head on over to the fuckcars lemmy page and I’ll make you mod.
I was totally being silly 🤪 but it kinda sounds like something someone would try lol
Drive-thru airport! Park your stupid truck in first class!
Service dogs should be limited to people who really need them because they conflict with people who have dog allergies.
The access needs of one group of people shouldn’t override the needs of another group. Especially not as a blanket policy.
If a person who needs an assistance dog needs to interact with someone who is allergic to dogs (even if that interaction is indirect, such as sharing the same space), this is what disabled folk call “competing access needs”.
There is no simple solution on what to do when this problem arises, because actually building an accessible society requires conversations that go beyond universal guides or protocols. There are often ways to find compromises to make a situation work. Sometimes there aren’t. But the most important first step is for the people who are affected to be able to have a productive conversation about things, because without that, we would be undermining disabled people’s agency and bodily autonomy.
It’s not your place to decide who “really needs” a service dog or not. People who try to gatekeep accessibility resources or reasonable adjustments to people who “really need” them often mean well, because they think that the people who “don’t really need” them undermine access to resources for the “real disabled people”. Unfortunately, that rhetoric ends up shutting out a heckton more “real disabled people” than the people who genuinely don’t really need support.
I think your last paragraph is really the crux of it. Technically, I’d agree with the statement “service [vs ‘support’?] animals should be reserved for those who need them”, except that I don’t think anyone can really define what “need” and “service” mean (or even “animal” and “reserved” really); I don’t think I’d agree with anyone who is actually using that statement in their line of arguments either. Competing needs can be a hard, or even impossible, problem to practically solve, but trying to find a global answer or rule for who gets precedence isn’t gonna be much help, which also makes it hard to regulate/legislate fairly.
Given your knowledge of disability rights, do you think any deaf people need hearing ear dogs?
Well, I’m not deaf, and I don’t personally know anyone who is deaf or hard of hearing, so I can’t answer from my own experience.
That’s no problem though, because a quick Google showed that there are loads of deaf people who benefit from having a service dog to support them to hear. I have no reason to doubt all of these people who find that this helps them, so I feel confident in answering your question with a “yes”
You might feel that basing my answer on a quick skim over some search results is a cop-out answer, but that’s the result of quite a few years being active in disability activism and reading disability theory. A slogan that’s common in disability rights activism is “nothing about us without us”. That’s the crux of things — I don’t know what people find helpful, and it’s not my place to tell people what is helpful to them or not.
For me to question whether someone who has a hearing ear dog “really needs [one]” would be like asking a wheelchair with multiple sclerosis whether they really need that wheelchair. Even if I had multiple sclerosis myself, that would be highly inappropriate to ask, because disabilities affect people differently, and people develop coping strategies that work for them .
I’ve been on the receiving end of questions like that, and it’s not pleasant to have to justify yourself to a person who has little to no relevant expertise on your disabilities like this.
Living with disabilities often means trying to put together a wide variety of accessibility adjustments that may help, but all come with a tradeoff. Using myself as an example, I’m an ambulatory wheelchair user — I use a manual wheelchair sometimes, due to pain and frequent falls, but I can walk (albeit riskily). If I take my wheelchair out with me, then it makes it a bitch to get around if the venue or the city isn’t particularly accessible. If I have recently fallen and sprained my hand, I can’t push myself, so that’s awkward. Sometimes, the path of least harm means taking a risk and trying to walk (usually using a different mobility aid, such as a walking stick or frame). Walking where possible is also good to prevent muscle atrophy.
Do I need a wheelchair? Well, I guess not, given that there was a period of almost 2 years where mine was broken and it was a nightmare to chase up wheelchair services to get them to repair or replace my wheelchair. I survived that period, so in a sense, I don’t need it. However, my quality of life was significantly decreased, because on the bad days where I was too unsteady to safely walk at all, I was housebound at best. I fell over far more frequently, and I ended up making at least 20 trips to the minor injuries unit for X-rays following falls in that period. It sucked, big time. And for those reasons, I was eventually given a replacement wheelchair, because the specialist services agreed that I did need one.
When you see a disabled person, you don’t get to see their behind-the-scenes. If you’re seeing them out and about, there’s a decent likelihood you’re seeing them on a good day anyway, so there’s a sample bias there. You don’t get to see what their struggles look like without their accessibility adjustments, nor the struggles that remain even after they have all their support in place. You don’t get to see the costs or the tradeoffs of their accessibility adjustments, nor which strategies they tried, and then decided against using because it wasn’t helpful for them.
Understanding this, in broad strokes, is why I’m inclined to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I’d rather let some “fakers” get away with claiming accessibility adjustments that they don’t need if it means supporting disabled people to figure out what works best for them — not least of all because there are far more disabled people struggling needlessly due to not being able to access things that would help them, than there are “fakers”.
TL;DR: Yes. Absolutely, without a doubt. I don’t have lived experience of being deaf, so if I want to be a good ally and advocate, then the first step is to listen to what people say helps them, and believe them.
Interesting, thank you for answering. Anecdotally I’ve got both hearing loss and a dog allergy, but I’ve never met anyone with a hearing ear dog. The deaf people I know don’t consider it much of a disability at all, besides the social expectations thrust on them by hearing people. Most hearing people want to make the disability 100% our problem and 0% their problem.
I’m frequently frustrated by quick simple solutions like “just get a dog”, “just learn to read lips”, etc. And then the expectation becomes “well, it’s your fault because you don’t have a dog.”
(heads up: this comment is likely to be less articulate than my previous ones, because I’m having a bit of a cathartic rant)
“The deaf people I know don’t consider it much of a disability at all, besides the social expectations thrust on them by hearing people”
This eloquently captures a lot of my own feelings about disability; There are other aspects of my identity (such as my queerness) which feels like an identity that I choose for myself (which is quite empowering), but with disability, it very much feels like something thrust upon me.
Here’s the way I think about it: let’s imagine I’m having a really good day in terms of my walking ability, and I am taking a stroll around a scenic lake. Even though it’s a good day for me, there inevitably will be times when I need to take a break, and so I’ll likely take advantage of many of the benches along the walking route. But there have been plenty of times when I’ve been walking with an able bodied companion and they were the one who tripped and needed to re-evaluate their ability to complete the route; or they get tired sooner than they expect and need to take frequent breaks in order to make it all the way round. What’s the difference between that person and me?
Well, obviously the difference is in the severity and frequency of those issues, but my general point is that there is natural variety between different people’s capability, and there’s also a heckton of variation within each individual. Disability and capability are inherently relative. As you highlight, there are many people who would likely fit the legal definition of being disabled (e.g. for the purpose of discrimination laws) who don’t actively identify as being disabled — and there’re so many reasons why this might be the case. For instance, some people may feel that their impairment is sufficiently low (or well managed) that in most scenarios, they are not functionally disabled. And on the flip side, able bodied people have the capacity to be functionally disabled, depending on the context (breaking a bone is one example of that, but also ageing, or also chronic exhaustion causing them to be fatigued and achy).
My overall point is that I wish we lived in a world where disability didn’t exist. I don’t mean this in a eugenicsy “let’s fix all the broken people” kind of way, but rather I wish that society would just chill the hell out and stop being so weird about stuff. It’s the able bodied majority who are the ones making disability, as a conceptual label, be a thing. Labels can be super useful, but only if we use them as dynamic tools to help us interface with the world. In practice, labels thrust upon people are treated like rigid, natural categories, which leads to people being squashed into boxes that aren’t right for them
Sometimes I can walk up and down stairs with no problem. Sometimes my able bodied friend might struggle with that same task. To me, those are functionally same — I might struggle more often, but it’s always a context dependant and variable thing. “Disability” as a category often gatekeeps people in the "able bodied " box from accessing support that they need (which is especially a problem if they have a health condition that is causing them to become more disabled over time — people end up feeling like they don’t deserve the support). On the flip side, people like me are pressured to stay within the disabled box, because if we appear to be more capable than the simplistic labels applied to us suggests, then that throws all of our experiences and needs into question.
Deconstructing the category of “disabled” is easier said than done. We’d need a world much more accessible than this one to even begin that work.
I have no idea how coherent this comment is, but thanks for engaging in this conversation with me. I confess that I came into this in a slightly defensive headspace, because there were aspects of your earlier comments that rubbed me the wrong way, but I really appreciate the thoughtful replies you left me (especially the one I’m replying to right now — the solidarity I felt with you was part of the fuel for this cathartic rant). The internet is full of needless hostility and wasted time in messy threads, so when a nice interaction like this happens, it really brightens my day
Did you read the comment you’re replying to? They already said it’s not your place to decide who does and doesn’t need a service dog. They didn’t say that to mean that it’s actually their place to do so.
Yes. I’m asking if anyone needs a service dog for being deaf. This incident was because hearing people refused to accommodate, not because deaf people need dogs. It is 100% the people with hearing who need to do something differently, not the deaf.
That’s easy to solve. We just give them an allergy service dog that warns about potential allergens and chases them away if needed.
Training program involves treats attached to the dogs’ tails.
That’s disablist doggism!
Some breeds are hypoallergenic.
Hypo is does not mean they don’t trigger allergies. Just less.
Do you think those should be required?
Many of them already are used as service animals.
Very few
Do you think people who don’t need them should be allowed hyperallergenic dogs in an airplane?
The whole thing is so silly. Wasting everyone’s time instead of ignoring a single drink someone walked on. Is it truly worth 20-30 minutes from 100+ people, yourself included, if a person has a drink? That stewardess must have had a rough week to have made such a fuss over what could have been an inconsequential lie by omission. Even worse if she did this *GAG* for the company.
Yeah, even if she downed an open beverage before/while boarding I don’t get how that is different from all the other people practically doing shots with added anxiety meds at every airport I have ever been too.
Disposal by aggressive rapid consumption is like an American right of passage.Exactly. If she had downed it 3 mins earlier, it would have been 100% kosher? Not worth my time.
instead of ignoring a single drink
We have no idea how many drinks she had before getting on the plane. Perhaps the flight attendant didn’t want to deal with an argumentative, potentially drunk passenger in addition to her other duties.
Watch the video. She’s apologetic, quiet, and pretty candidly sad. Her speech is a bit peculiar, but that’s solely to do with her deafness, which would cause most people to reassess the situation. Were I watching this unfold, deaf person or not, I’m counting the entire situation as worth less than none of my time. Post-deafness realization, I’m asking a coworker to cover that side of the plane for me.
I have watched the video, and I’ve watched a couple others on her channel. She doesn’t speak like that normally, she’s exaggerating it for the views. And the only video we’ve seen is the one she’s chosen to put online (with her own edits), which will naturally portray her as in the right.
Apparently she’s a law student, very litigious, and has been losing followers because her ongoing saga with the HOA board has become “boring”.
That’s a reasonable point. When the entire video eventually makes its way out, I’d be able to offer a more comprehensive moral opinion. If video of her being belligerent begins circulating, I’m with the stewardess on the ejection.
But as it stands, my holistic impression is just to let things like this pass. It’s not worth putting yourself in a quagmire for a company.
There is always someone who takes the side of the oppressor over the victim under the guise of “we just don’t know for sure”.
Am I not allowed to look at her video history where she’s always the victim, note the fall in the number of her followers (until this video came out), look at the video that she edited and put online, notice discrepancies in that video, and think, “There may be more to this than just what she’s chosen to show us”? Because that’s where I am.
Correct. You cannot make an assertion about whether someone had more drinks prior based on their Tik Tok history.
What if their whole tiktok history is them discussing their journey to consume more alcoholic beverages before a flight, and they’re currently at a 7 drink record?
But if we kicked all the drunk people off of planes who would fly it?
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I watched the video when it came out. The first couple sentences the woman speaks do sound as if she’s deaf - but then she sounds progressively less deaf as the disagreement goes on. As the public spat continued, I visited her TikTok account and (as of yesterday), she’s pinned this December 2024 video where she says the ear doctor told her she’s losing her hearing, and you’ll notice she’s speaking pretty normally.
I have friends and relatives who have become increasingly hard of hearing as they aged, including a couple that have gone completely deaf, and none of them have that “lost hearing before learning to speak” deaf ‘accent’. That’s because their brain and muscles remember what the movements for those words sound like. They do tend to lose verbal ‘crispness’ over time, but it takes years. So right off the bat, she was implicitly exaggerating her ‘hearing loss’ in the viral video.
Someone on yesterday’s reddit thread commented in part
I went down a rabbit hole of her TikTok, and she’s a disgusting person personality wise. ALWAYS playing the victim. […] We don’t know what led up to this. I hear them constantly bring up “accommodations”. My bet is she was making a scene about her “accommodations” and during that the attendant saw the cup. Rather deal with someone whose drunk […] [they] decided to kick her off so she can […] calm down.
To which someone else replied
I used to follow her TikTok (until I realized she is super annoying) and she is both a law student and is rather litigious in general. She’s involved in a variety of legal issues with her HOA (which was the story that initially got me to follow, admittedly but it’s no longer interesting).
I’m betting that this isn’t the only person who’s found her annoying and the HOA storyline now boring and she’s lost followers, and this is her latest attempt to
recoup followersgrift.I mean, possibly (I have heard dumber shit before), but that’s a huge stretch. I’m physically disabled myself, and to hatch a plan for staff to agitate me over a small issue, wasting hours of my time in the process and possibly spending/not recouping hundreds of dollars, so it can escalate and theoretically begin a legal battle, capturing an audience in the process… Nah, that’s way too far out there. That’s Dale Gribble levels of planning, I tell ya hwat.
I never said it was planned, just that I have doubts that the story she’s presented on her video channel is the full story.
Chaching!
